Menzerna FP II VS Poorboy's SSR 1

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Anybody use both of these products and can give me a comparison of the two? I use FP II and like it. It's very mild and finishes amazing. No fillers and no staining trim. How does SSR 1 compare in these areas?
 
Was just using SSR 1 tonight and my thoughts are stick with FPII. All that I can see that it is good for is just a basic polish if you want to say remove Zaino or pick your poly or wax and move to the next.

I have AIO for that.
 
any other members with comments about these 2? I hear they are similar but people either love one or the other...
 
Well I don't have the FP II but I do have FP and it was very hard to work with a PC IMO. I'm sure the new version has fixed that but I prefer SSR1 over that. I got a little better results with the FP with the rotary but it didn't do that much along the lines of swirl removal. The SSR1 is super easy on and off, which I never experienced with menzerna before. The defect removal capability isn't that great. It doen't do much with swirls IMO but it cleans up hazing from products well and leaves the surface ready for LSP. So i probably shouldn't comment because I've never used the newer version but this was my finidings.
 
FPII Hands down. It's the best of the bunch from the Menzerna line up, and IMO, nothing else comes close to it. (btw - I have SSR1 too).
 
mgm2003 said:
FPII Hands down. It's the best of the bunch from the Menzerna line up, and IMO, nothing else comes close to it. (btw - I have SSR1 too).
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Does it produce a higher gloss?

Does it remove fine swirls faster?

Do you use it with a rotary?

Do you polish it until it is gone or to a haze?

I guess this is turning into a review. I think we could use these on this forum vs. opinions. Facts and benefits always beat opinions.
 
Menzerna FPll is a great polish that works better with a rotary but great results can be obtained from a PC. It takes time, techique and practice.

The same can be said about SSR 1. Although I prefer to use a PC with Poorboy's the thing that I would like to stress with Poorboy's SSR's is the fact that I do not use anything to charge the pad before application. I use a small amount of product with no water or QD. My dusting was cut down considerably. I do use a spritz of water when working with Menzerna wether I use a rotary or PC. Again I also use a small amount of product.

I believe that FPll is the better product. But I tend to use SSR1 more. Simply because it is less expensive. Either one finishes out real well. I would wager to say that only a very experience detailer could tell the difference in the finish if both were applied side by side and properly applied.

Here is a link to fellow DC member BlkYukon's site to answer a lot of technique, product amount and speed of movement and PC setting. This is one of the best links around on the way to do it. http://melncal.com/detailing/pc_video.html
 
Where do you buy the Menzerna chemicals like PO85RD?

I do not see it for sale when I google, is there another name for it?
 
jsatek said:
Does it produce a higher gloss?

Does it remove fine swirls faster? All things considered, a hands down yes.

Do you use it with a rotary?

Rotary, and DA (cyclo & PC) -all work well.

Do you polish it until it is gone or to a haze?

This is hard to explain over a post, but after you spend time with any polish, you can tell when it breaks down. FPII has plenty of lube in it, and I've rarely had any pad marring from it.


I guess this is turning into a review. I think we could use these on this forum vs. opinions. Facts and benefits always beat opinions.
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I could not agree more... I'll say this. If you buy FPII and hate it, send me a PM and I'll buy it from you. I feel that confident in it. If I had to pick 1 polish from them all, it would be FPII. IMO, it's that good. These days, I use Menzerna and Optimum 90% of the time. (I also use FK, 4*, and AIO, etc.. once in a while, but not often). At the end of the day you have to land on a polish that works best for you. They're all a bit different. If you try to learn/master several at a time you'll pull your hair out. I spent most of my time with Menzerna, and have tried out others (in hopes that they'd be better), but have found nothing else that compares.

 
jsatek said:
Where do you buy the Menzerna chemicals like PO85RD?

I do not see it for sale when I google, is there another name for it?
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I am pretty sure that PO85RD is not sold in the US any more. a few months back they had a thread going that said as much. Some of the members [urchased the last of the available product and offered to sell or trade it. I know that I got a few bottles that way. I only use that stash on my black truck. Going to try and make it last. HA!! Try to keep my polishing at a minimum, don't ya know.:lmfao
 
I use both Menzera and SSR1 - both finish great...but for black nothing I've used finishes like Menzerna FP or PO85RD.

I still have and use FP and have never had the problems that others have had with it...as long as you use don't use it with a spritz of H2O or QD it works great.

FP and PO85RD remove about the same (light marring & micromarring) and leave the same finish..PO85RD is more user-friendly, though. I've never tried FPII so I can't comment.
 
This summer I will continue to play with Poorboys SSR1 and Zaino. I just kicked 3M foam pad glaze for it. I did see a difference in the amount of swirl removal in SSR1 over 3M foam pad glaze. The cars are both too new to distinguish which method made the car shinier or glossier.
 
Well I started this thread because I use FP II and I find it to be awesome but from what I understand it and all Menzerna products will only be available from CMA. Just wondering if SSR I would be a suitable replacement for what I need? That is a super fine final polish that well remove very minor marring and leave a perfect finish ready for a LSP like FP II does. There are polishes that finish very nice like FP II but they are more aggressive than I need. FP II is very mild by PC and gives me the results I want and removing minimal clear coat in the process.
 
I hope that translates into:

CMA is in negotoations wiht Menzerna to become the exclusive US importer of its vehicle clearcoat finishing products.

I always think there is dilution in repackaging. Weather dilution via chemical content, chemical quality, or R&D. That would be a big nut to purchase anyway. What about all of the metal manufacturers and non auto related businesses that use Menzerna products, I think CMA will need to hire more than a few regional sales reps to cover that? I'd expect to read about a deal like that on Bloomberg or Reuters, that got to be a multi million dollar deal. The Blackfire deal isnt so unigue or so big, they are simply getting the licensing to repackage it.
 
cwcad said:
I am pretty sure that PO85RD is not sold in the US any more. a few months back they had a thread going that said as much. Some of the members [urchased the last of the available product and offered to sell or trade it. I know that I got a few bottles that way. I only use that stash on my black truck. Going to try and make it last. HA!! Try to keep my polishing at a minimum, don't ya know.:lmfao
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I beleive BLACFIRE has a product out that is to be similar to the P085RD.BLACKFIRE is a MENZERNA line if I am correct. I only used this this clear coat polish once and thought it was great.
 
I believe it is a repeat of what of the comparison of Fp to SSR1. They are similar but different. Both get the job done. Which can be said for all Menzerna products vs. Poorboy's. Have used most products from both. Although there are differences you would be hard pressed to see them when used side by side.
 
cwcad said:
I believe it is a repeat of what of the comparison of Fp to SSR1. They are similar but different. Both get the job done. Which can be said for all Menzerna products vs. Poorboy's. Have used most products from both. Although there are differences you would be hard pressed to see them when used side by side.
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I have to respectfully disagree.

If we're comparing FPII to SSR1:

FPII on a polish or finish pad, cleans up much better than SSR1 (if you're inspecting with indecent, strong halogen, or bright sunlight). I've worked with them both too many times to count on DA's and rotaries. Menzerna is easier to work with (IMO). Will a customer pick it out -maybe not -most look for gloss/depth, but I can sure see a difference on my paint. I'm not trying to start a holy war here, but IMHO, I think there is a noticeable difference. I use several Poorboys and Menzerna products, so I'm not trying to say one line up is crap and the other is awesome -but when it comes to polish, I've been hard pressed to find anything better than Menzerna polishes. -Just my opinion, and I'm not trying to cause a heated debate.
 
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