System One? Jay Leno

jaysim said:
The system one product is awaesome, no matter what you will get paint on your paid if it has not got a clear coat on it.



Also if you use a rorary correctly you will not burn paint at all.



This stuff is amazing, it does remove scratches with ease, swirls, even paint over spray, no need to clay if you dont want to.



Its very safe as it contains a lot of water when you read the instructions on the bottle, as i found out when using it, the product seems to stay very wet while using it, which makes it go a long way.



I found it very safe and amazing, saved me around 35% of my time detailing my car, also removed marks, that i have not been able to get out before, when using other products. Had tried in the past Megs stuff, Mothers, Zymol, Menzerna, 3M, Sonus, Klasse, Ultima, none of these would remove the scratches, i am just so glad i came accross this stuff, while looking at some videos on You Tube about the worlds best detailing Company in Yorkshire, England, who do a lot of cars for Cricket players and footballers etc.
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Does ultima or zymol make a polish? Why would you use those products to try and remove scratches?
 
BlackElantraGT said:
Jay seemed pretty interested to me, especially if you consider the fact that there's probably a bunch of people that want him to try out their products.



My favorite part was when he said, "Hello Armando... Glad I'm not feeding him!". The Tonight Show won't be the same when Conan O'Brien replaces him.
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What I meant to say is that he never let the System One guys finish their sentence, he kept interupting their sales pitch...
 
I finally saw the video and it was pretty well done.



And, yes I use it: literally every day. From really swirled and scratched BMW's to quick, get-ready for sale newer ones.



I confess, I've "only" taken out 2000 grit wetsanding marks and it does a remarkable job. The biggest saver for me is a single product for compounding and polishing. Our shop was a 3M Extra Cut user which required a power wash afterwards because the dusting was very abrasive and I couldn't go to a polish without removing that grit. With System One, I immediately go from wool use to foam use.



I also tried the Meguiar's So1o Kit and found it really is for new paint only...not for cured paint that most Autopians work on. I do however use the So1o backing plate and wool + foam pads. They are very comfortable and controllable on a rotary due to their smaller size and will get body panel areas that are curvy.



I hope to meet with Tom Horvath next week at the Mobile Tech Expo in Clearwater and ask some questions about the product.



Toto
 
Toto, did you know op along with many other polishes will remove 2k scratches with a wool pad, no dusting no mess whatsoever? I can't get into a product like system one for some reason, not just because it looks so cheesy either.
 
Well if it saves me some valuable time on my details without sacrificing quality, then I am a willing participant. I just wish that they would have shown more within the video like breakdown times and the like. From what I see I am not sure as to how many steps it saves. He still had to do a partial wetsand (at least form what the video showed). I will remain open but I cannot commit to something unless it really has a benefit.
 
VaSuperShine said:
Toto, did you know op along with many other polishes will remove 2k scratches with a wool pad, no dusting no mess whatsoever? I can't get into a product like system one for some reason, not just because it looks so cheesy either.
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No sir, I did not know that and thanks for the info. One of the issues at the shop is the dealer also is detail oriented (he jumps in with a rotary frequently) and wants a product that can be worked to disappearance. If memory serves my old brain, OP leaves a haze requiring a wipe off...



The dusting is definitely something I have to contend with: especially with the detail area also serving as the dealer's showroom. So, I have to cover any inventory prior to starting the work (did it with 3M stuff as well).



So, maybe I'll pick some information up at MTE next week.



Toto
 
MotorCity said:
What I don't understand is how people knock a product before trying it...



To me that is very disheartning and makes me question alot I read on here
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Agreed. It seems pessimism prevails. I have come across products and procedures that are not mainstream but work very well for me. I don't post them because of all the naysayers that spout "That can't work because......" even though they have never heard of, seen, or used the product/procedure. It must be nice to know everything.



When Master Toto says something works well for him, I listen and try to learn.
 
Totoland Mach said:
No sir, I did not know that and thanks for the info. One of the issues at the shop is the dealer also is detail oriented (he jumps in with a rotary frequently) and wants a product that can be worked to disappearance. If memory serves my old brain, OP leaves a haze requiring a wipe off...



The dusting is definitely something I have to contend with: especially with the detail area also serving as the dealer's showroom. So, I have to cover any inventory prior to starting the work (did it with 3M stuff as well).



So, maybe I'll pick some information up at MTE next week.



Toto
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Toto,

I don't understand what you mean when you say you want a polish that doesn't require a wipe off. What polish doesn't require a wipe off after it's been worked into the paint?



If dusting is an issue, you really have to reconsider Optimum. OP is highly pad dependent so using a finishing pad, a polishing pad, a cutting pad, or a wool pad will affect how much cut you get. While all the Opt. polishes are very low dusting, Poli-Seal is great for zero dusting and a surface that requires the least bit of buffing I've seen. As a whole, I think they are very user friendly, unlike some other lines of polishes I won't mention. Optimum, by far, is my favorite line of polishes. OP and PS are outstanding, IMO.



By the way, you do outstanding work! :xyxthumbs
 
I have spoken to a couple people who have used System One including Tony Lawery, who have stated that System One doesn't finish that great and leaves a lot of caking and product residue behind.



I would like to give it a shot though..
 
From my experience OC leaves a film on the surface and it is marginal at removing wetsanding marks. 3m 3000 compound is more effective but doesn't spread as well. If you aren't wiping a compound/polish off the car with an ISO wipedown you are leaving oils on the paint unless you are using a completely oil free water based product. Even then you should wipe the polish off with a MF.
 
Totto...



Seem that you are the expert here, he states that using this polish and pad you can not burn the paint. The only way to damage is to polish though the paint. Is that what you are seeing also? Hard for me to believe that 1500 to 1800 with a wool or foam wouldn't produce enough heat to burn the paint.
 
DennisH said:
Totto...



Seem that you are the expert here, he states that using this polish and pad you can not burn the paint. The only way to damage is to polish though the paint. Is the what you are seeing also? Hard for me to believe that 1500 to 1800 with a wool or foam wouldn't produce enough heat to burn the paint.
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Listen to the video carefully; but to me Tom does retract and mention under his breath that you *can* polish through the paint...kind of does a 2-foot shuffle there.



Fact is you WILL burn the paint with too much speed and wool on a rotary...
 
mshu7 said:
Toto,

I don't understand what you mean when you say you want a polish that doesn't require a wipe off. What polish doesn't require a wipe off after it's been worked into the paint?



If dusting is an issue, you really have to reconsider Optimum. OP is highly pad dependent so using a finishing pad, a polishing pad, a cutting pad, or a wool pad will affect how much cut you get. While all the Opt. polishes are very low dusting, Poli-Seal is great for zero dusting and a surface that requires the least bit of buffing I've seen. As a whole, I think they are very user friendly, unlike some other lines of polishes I won't mention. Optimum, by far, is my favorite line of polishes. OP and PS are outstanding, IMO.



By the way, you do outstanding work! :xyxthumbs
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I think what I'm attempting to say is: the 3M compounds can be worked to complete (or almost complete disappearance) and the 3M Dark Glaze and Swirl Removers can be polished to disappearance. This gives the rotary user the ability to "see" their work without wiping a haze (which could add surface scratches). I hope that makes sense. Other polishes leave a haze which require wiping to see if the correction is finished.



TH: Tony Lauer lives nearby and has seen the results of System One. It does leave product in door seams, etc...but so does everything else I've used. I think you have to put what I do in context: I recondition cars as opposed to detailing. Most require some wet sanding here and there and all require a compounding followed by a polishing before waxing. When I do a driveway detail, I could use a different process such as: ZAIO, Klasse AIO, Meg's 83, etc.



Toto
 
mblgjr said:
Listen to the video carefully; but to me Tom does retract and mention under his breath that you *can* polish through the paint...kind of does a 2-foot shuffle there.



Fact is you WILL burn the paint with too much speed and wool on a rotary...
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He states using his product it is "Burn Proof" - I know speed kills paint!
 
'for me system one has saved me a GREAT deal of time, when i have over 30 cars to detail every month as well as the big details that the worlds Best company do for me, its tough work.\r\n\r\nI use the System one by hand and some times by UDM i was shown how to use this by the detailing company that do the once a year major details for me, i am just glad i found the system one on you tube. \r\n\r\nAs yet i have not burnt the paint on any of my cars or gone throught it either. I find it very safe and fool proof to use.\r\n\r\nI agree yes you can go through paint, but hell guys this is going to take a hell of lot of UDMing to happen.\r\n\r\nSo for me and my private collection of car some of them are Ferrari\'s System one is it.\r\n\r\nWhen Jay Leno gets a car detailed using system one it has to be good, even if it is a free demo, i have tried a lot of products and Mothers came out last for me and did not live up to what i had been told they could do.\r\n\r\nJay'
 
'Yes i would buy those products to remove scratches acording to Zymol HD Cleanase is designed to do just that, remove swirls, scratches and enhance the paint work.\r\n\r\nWhen i asked Zymol if i could improve on red paint as it has gone A LITTLE DULL they said apply HD Cleanse and leave it on the paint for around 15 minutes to soak in, i did that it dried on and then caused marring to the paint trying to get the god damn stuff off, so it ended up in the trash can, dont care how much it cost, it caused me problems end of story.\r\n\r\nSystem one is still going strong, when and IF it ever causes me a problem, i will post it on here, till then i am happy and prepared to give a new product a try until something else comes along. If nothing can match this then i will stay with it and be very happy.\r\n\r\nNone of my cars now have swirls or scratches even under strong lighting like 1000w halogen lights, \r\n\r\nThank you to who ever invented System One you are a legend, you have increased the value of my cars a great deal.\r\n\r\nThanks \r\n\r\nJay'
 
Seemed to use alot of product in one spot & buff time was extremely short.



Funny, this is very similar to the Optimum System in the sense of Pad dependency with a long lasting polish. Edge Adapter & Pad setup. Interesting that their protectant can be used in the interior as well.



OP won't leave much residue, absolutely no dust if used correctly. You can literally buff till it disappears. If you have residue issues, HiTEmp Prep Wash is a good cheap alternative.
 
Totoland Mach said:
I think what I'm attempting to say is: the 3M compounds can be worked to complete (or almost complete disappearance) and the 3M Dark Glaze and Swirl Removers can be polished to disappearance. This gives the rotary user the ability to "see" their work without wiping a haze (which could add surface scratches). I hope that makes sense. Other polishes leave a haze which require wiping to see if the correction is finished.



Toto
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Gotcha! I have not used 3M polishes so I guess that's why I didn't understand.
 
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