ONR on these? (pics)

Ok. This has got to be one of the best aka helpful threads ever. I just wanted to thank you all for posting and commenting.



Please do NOT take this the wrong way anyone. The thing is I haven't seen any pics of a vehicle being ONR'd that was in the condition of the ones I posted. Those were bad but once again I see about 10 of those per week. I've never doubted a rinseless wash. Not for one minute (unlike some with the ShMitt!). I had never used it so I could NOT comment it on it. I can't wait to see a video on it. I think it would be wise for Optimum and others to make one to just settle things about this.
 
Scottwax said:
I am not calling you out, what I am saying is that ONR will clean much filthier cars than you would believe possible. I have explored the limits of both QEW and ONR and they far surpassed my expectations. Yes, you do have to pre-rinse a mud caked car and rinseless washes may leave some smearing on paint completely devoid of wax (but ONR does the best in that regard), but just normal filth from driving in the rain is not a problem. It isn't just for well maintained cars and it isn't fair to Optimum, Detailer's Pride or Protect All to suggest otherwise.
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Not fair to the companies to state my opinion on a product?



Honestly, I could wash a mud-caked truck with *only* water if I wanted. It would take a lot of buckets, tons of mitts, and a huge amount of time. I don't doubt that you *could* use QEW or ONR to wash a filthy mud-caked vehicle, but IMO traditional methods would yield *much* better results.



How are you going to clean the barrels of the wheels? How are you going to clean the motor? What about white wall tires, how can filthy tires be cleaned?



It's really just a difference of opinion. We both share a high opinion of the no rinse products--you just feel that the limit of their use is much higher than mine. I did take the "You?" comment as somewhat of a call out, but if you say that's not the case, so be it. It's hard to interpret the tone of comments when they come from a keyboard.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
Not fair to the companies to state my opinion on a product?
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I think your blanket statement of rinseless washes are for well maintained vehicles only is incorrect. Have you actually tried to clean a vehicle beyond what you consider safe for a rinseless wash? Give it a try, I think you will be very pleasantly suprised.



I don't doubt that you *could* use QEW or ONR to wash a filthy mud-caked vehicle, but IMO traditional methods would yield *much* better results.
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I don't know about *much* better but traditional washing does have an advantage over rinseless washing on a mud-caked vehicle. More typically dirty vehicles, like grime from driving in the rain, I can not only wash a car with ONR more quickly than traditional washing but it comes out better. No chance of drying streaks, no water spotting, no water running out of the body seams, etc.



How are you going to clean the barrels of the wheels? How are you going to clean the motor? What about white wall tires, how can filthy tires be cleaned?
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The barrel of the wheels? You mean the inside behind the wheel design? I have a plethora of brushes and can get deep into pretty much every wheel I come across.



I don't think anyone is advocating using a rinseless wash for engine cleaning, other than wiping down the top of the engine, plastic covers, etc. No rinseless wash I know of recommends their product for engine cleaning anyway. Besides, I don't do many engines anyway because of a lack of demand and liablity issues.



When cleaning whitewall tires, I use Greased Lightning's Orange Blast Degreaser, spray down the whitewalls, scrub and then wash with ONR. I have some pics on my computer at home (at my brother's right now) that show the process and how well it works. Dirty blackwalls, I can usually use a nail brush and ONR to clean off the grime.



It's really just a difference of opinion. We both share a high opinion of the no rinse products--you just feel that the limit of their use is much higher than mine. I did take the "You?" comment as somewhat of a call out, but if you say that's not the case, so be it. It's hard to interpret the tone of comments when they come from a keyboard.
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I respect the he!! out of your detailing skills and I don't want this to end up with either of us taking anything personal.



I'll tell you what. I will be going through Memphis in May and would be glad to meet up with you and demonstrate just what is possible with a rinseless wash if you are interested. I strongly believe in them and feel that they can do so much more than a lot of people think they can.



Plus, if you have any cars you are detailing I'd love to see how you go about it in person. Sound good?
 
I hate to keep beating a dead horse. This thread has probably gone on long enough. But the fact is, that 1oz of ONR can only encapsulate so much dirt. It's not my opinion, its just science.



The idea that ONR is only for only slightly dirty vehicles is an opinion. The idea that it is SIGNIFICANTLY less risky is a fact.



If you're confident in your ONR skills, go right ahead. But if you're part of the camp that is skeptical, doubtful, scared, inexperienced, curious, or confused, take 20 minutes and $5 and go to the damn car wash before using ONR.



It's not a question of whether or not it can be done, it is a matter of the risk involved. I can run across an eight lane highway and not get hit by a car. But its risky. And if I do it enough times, I WILL get hit. I'd much rather run across the rural back road. There is still some risk but I can get away with it many more times before I get hit by a car.



That's a crappy anology but I'm tired and its the best I can come up with
 
Justin- Check out JoeP's car on Detail City in the Cash Wash section. He washed his vehicle fine with ONR and it was very salty. The pictures proove it :).



As long as you take your time and rinse the mitt or towel frequently (one swipe or less) the chances of more marring than traditional wash is minimal. FWIW I use QEW in the winter with no issues.
 
Less said:
I hate to keep beating a dead horse. This thread has probably gone on long enough. But the fact is, that 1oz of ONR can only encapsulate so much dirt. It's not my opinion, its just science.
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With very dirty vehicles, you simply use more ONR and water, or switch the bucket out halfway through.
 
Scottwax said:
With very dirty vehicles, you simply use more ONR and water, or switch the bucket out halfway through.
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:werd: Just because I like to use alot of water when washing with ONR I fill two gallon buckets with warm water out of the bath tub. I put one bucket on each side of the car, put a splash of ONR in each and go at it. I then go fill both buckets again and put another small splash in each. I then take my Meguiars APC and spray each tire and wheel and use my brushes to clean, then take my designated mitt and go over the tire/rim with the ONR solution and dry with a waffle weave towel.



I think people would be surprised how well ONR can clean in a dirty/salty/snow covered vehicle. During winter for those in the north, using warm water on the paint with ONR will simply melt away and lift off any snow/salt so easily. I cant believe Im saying this but I cant wait until we get a bunch of snow and salt on the roads so I can make a nice ONR video to show people what I clean off in 30 minutes with ONR.
 
I did our Honda CRV and Civic both with salt on them, parked outside 24/7 with ONR in less than an hour



I am with Scottwax, I think it comes out better than a traditional wash.



ONR will rock your world :bow
 
I've recently tried pre-soaking heavily soiled areas with ONR and Poorboy's Bug Squash. I find it does and excellent job. :xyxthumbs
 
Scottwax said:
I think your blanket statement of rinseless washes are for well maintained vehicles only is incorrect. Have you actually tried to clean a vehicle beyond what you consider safe for a rinseless wash? Give it a try, I think you will be very pleasantly suprised.







I don't know about *much* better but traditional washing does have an advantage over rinseless washing on a mud-caked vehicle. More typically dirty vehicles, like grime from driving in the rain, I can not only wash a car with ONR more quickly than traditional washing but it comes out better. No chance of drying streaks, no water spotting, no water running out of the body seams, etc.







The barrel of the wheels? You mean the inside behind the wheel design? I have a plethora of brushes and can get deep into pretty much every wheel I come across.



I don't think anyone is advocating using a rinseless wash for engine cleaning, other than wiping down the top of the engine, plastic covers, etc. No rinseless wash I know of recommends their product for engine cleaning anyway. Besides, I don't do many engines anyway because of a lack of demand and liablity issues.



When cleaning whitewall tires, I use Greased Lightning's Orange Blast Degreaser, spray down the whitewalls, scrub and then wash with ONR. I have some pics on my computer at home (at my brother's right now) that show the process and how well it works. Dirty blackwalls, I can usually use a nail brush and ONR to clean off the grime.







I respect the he!! out of your detailing skills and I don't want this to end up with either of us taking anything personal.



I'll tell you what. I will be going through Memphis in May and would be glad to meet up with you and demonstrate just what is possible with a rinseless wash if you are interested. I strongly believe in them and feel that they can do so much more than a lot of people think they can.



Plus, if you have any cars you are detailing I'd love to see how you go about it in person. Sound good?
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It's really not a matter of you proving anything to me. I have total confidence in the fact that you can clean a vehicle that is *very* dirty with ONR. I would just choose to use traditional methods in order to get the car to a "baseline" of cleanliness, then maintian with QEW/ONR.



Nothing personal at all here, just healthy debate and a difference of opinion. That's what this place is all about IMO. :D



When you come through Memphis in May, let's drink beer, eat BBQ, and watch the local eye candy. :D Seriously, PM me and let me know when you are coming--we'll get together for sure.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
When you come through Memphis in May, let's drink beer, eat BBQ, and watch the local eye candy. :D Seriously, PM me and let me know when you are coming--we'll get together for sure.
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Deal. I love Memphis style BBQ....but hold the slaw! :)
 
justin30513 said:
Nice to see this ending like this!!!



Wish all encounters could end as well.........
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Why don't you meet us out there, Justin. We can all take a tour of Optimum while in Memphis. ;)
 
Sorry for resurrecting this thread... Hey, Joshua312, you mentioned that you would be able to do a video of the use of ONR. I guess you weren't able to make one. But, do you think that you'd be able to make one anytime soon? It seems like a lot of people would love to have a video :) It would help with specific details and in general showing people how effective and safe ONR can be.



Edit: I searched around, and found a video of the ONR process, but it's sped up lot, so I think a realtime video would still be nice :)



http://autopia.org/forum/click-brag/86914-onehourdetail-movie-me.html
 
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