NXT - Multiple coats?
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OKCstanger
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i believe its 12 hours in between coats. maybe someone will chime in and confirm it.
jasonatv22
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NJones said:
You really should take pics of that. I'd love to see it.
Personally, I'd just throw another layer of NXT on each weekend. I wouldn't go quicker than 3 days. After 3 days, you know all curing is done for nearly any product, or at least 99.X% is done.
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
NXT Tech Wax is formulated from a polymer, and therefore must be given sufficient time to adhere, (bond) 10-15 minuets is recommended before removing residue
As air is the primary catalyst (aerobic) for the acrylic to dry, low air temperatures and / or humidity may effect the time requirements.
After sufficient drying time, the finish will ‘dull’ (haze) slightly, do a quick swipe test with your finger. If no smearing or drag is evident, the residue is ready to be removed
Residues should be almost dry when you buff them. If the residues are still wet, you are using too much product.
Cross-linking; 12–24 hours are recommended before any other products are applied, this provides improved
durability and a deeper shine
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*
NXT Tech Wax is formulated from a polymer, and therefore must be given sufficient time to adhere, (bond) 10-15 minuets is recommended before removing residue
As air is the primary catalyst (aerobic) for the acrylic to dry, low air temperatures and / or humidity may effect the time requirements.
After sufficient drying time, the finish will ‘dull’ (haze) slightly, do a quick swipe test with your finger. If no smearing or drag is evident, the residue is ready to be removed
Residues should be almost dry when you buff them. If the residues are still wet, you are using too much product.
Cross-linking; 12–24 hours are recommended before any other products are applied, this provides improved
durability and a deeper shine
~Hope this helps~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect *so I question everything*
imported_The Uncle
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Question: If NXT does have cleaning ability (as I keep reading here) how is it even possible to layer this product? Want the initial layers be removed during the subsequent applications?
OKCstanger
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the second layer ensures that you have a consistant, even coat on the entire vehicle.
imported_The Uncle
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So, that is like using mutiple coats of AIO. You just want to do a complete job. If that is the case, then you are not really layering it, and the amount of time between coats should be meaningless (theoretically).
imported_The Uncle
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Maybe you can. I'm only speculating. My only point it that a few posters here have found that NXT does have some significant clearning abilities, which would suggest it would be a difficult product to layer. Now,whether or not that is actually the case is an open question.
jasonatv22
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But can NXT remove itself once cured?
Someone needs to do a double layer marker on the dryer test! Marker/NXT/NXT
Someone needs to do a double layer marker on the dryer test! Marker/NXT/NXT
Mike_Phillips
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If you don't mind, I'd like to chime in on this one,
You know, if you have ever used a product like #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 by hand, or even Meguiar’s Cleaner/Wax in the maroon bottle, you would know that both of these are incredibly gentle products when applied by hand. Much of their cleaning ability comes from the combination of the application material, and pressure used to apply them.
As non-aggressive as these two products are, Tech Wax isn't even close to being as aggressive in it's cleaning action as these two products are.
The chemist told me that when proper curing time is allowed for in-between coats, the Tech Wax will always leave more wax behind than it removes until you reach the point of diminishing returns. Remember, one thing Meguiar’s is famous for is their diminishing abrasives in their Compounds, Paint Cleaners, Cleaner/Polishes, so I hope nobody’s under the delusion that any cleaning ability the Tech Wax has is just as strong at the beginning of application as it is at end of application.
It’s just not that type of cleaner. I think it’s mostly a whole lot of to do about nothing. Layering is the same thing, it’s all hype. The surface of your car’s paint can only hold so much wax, after that you just start to remove the excess. If layering is possible, then the product better be as clear as water in the bottle or your layers will not increase darkness or optical clarity but diminish it.
Klasse SG is the only product I know of that will truly layer, but if you pour some out into a puddle and let it dry, it dries opaque, not clear, this would lead me to believe that the more coats you apply, the more opaque your finish will become.
Also, if you pour some into a small puddle on some cellophane food wrapper, (plastic wrap), and let it dry for a few days, it will dry to a flexible state somewhat like Elmer's Glue. Try it? You can then peel this dried Klasse SG off and hold it in your hand.
Now think about it, if it does dry like this, it's now wonder you have to apply very thin coats, if you were to apply a thick coat and let it fully dry, you wouldn't be able to wipe it off, you would have to peel it off.
This owner of the below Corvette layered on multiple layers of Zaino onto his Corvette, but it not only didn’t protect his clear coat finish from mud puddle water,
All the layers previously applied didn’t make his finish look as good as one coat of Tech Wax… (in direct sunlight no less…)
While layering might be possible for some products, for most people, it isn't the best thing for your finish.
The best thing to do is to try the product for yourself and let your eyes be the judge. I mean it's great to beat a horse to death, but nothing beats hands-on experience.
Have to go, have to get ready for a photo shoot tomorrow. I'm going to demonstrate how to layer 2 thin coats of Tech Wax on a black Corvette tomorrow for Vette Magazine after first cleaning the paint with ScratchX.
I'll tell you what the owner things and post some pictures.
Mike
You know, if you have ever used a product like #9 Swirl Remover 2.0 by hand, or even Meguiar’s Cleaner/Wax in the maroon bottle, you would know that both of these are incredibly gentle products when applied by hand. Much of their cleaning ability comes from the combination of the application material, and pressure used to apply them.
As non-aggressive as these two products are, Tech Wax isn't even close to being as aggressive in it's cleaning action as these two products are.
The chemist told me that when proper curing time is allowed for in-between coats, the Tech Wax will always leave more wax behind than it removes until you reach the point of diminishing returns. Remember, one thing Meguiar’s is famous for is their diminishing abrasives in their Compounds, Paint Cleaners, Cleaner/Polishes, so I hope nobody’s under the delusion that any cleaning ability the Tech Wax has is just as strong at the beginning of application as it is at end of application.
It’s just not that type of cleaner. I think it’s mostly a whole lot of to do about nothing. Layering is the same thing, it’s all hype. The surface of your car’s paint can only hold so much wax, after that you just start to remove the excess. If layering is possible, then the product better be as clear as water in the bottle or your layers will not increase darkness or optical clarity but diminish it.
Klasse SG is the only product I know of that will truly layer, but if you pour some out into a puddle and let it dry, it dries opaque, not clear, this would lead me to believe that the more coats you apply, the more opaque your finish will become.
Also, if you pour some into a small puddle on some cellophane food wrapper, (plastic wrap), and let it dry for a few days, it will dry to a flexible state somewhat like Elmer's Glue. Try it? You can then peel this dried Klasse SG off and hold it in your hand.
Now think about it, if it does dry like this, it's now wonder you have to apply very thin coats, if you were to apply a thick coat and let it fully dry, you wouldn't be able to wipe it off, you would have to peel it off.
This owner of the below Corvette layered on multiple layers of Zaino onto his Corvette, but it not only didn’t protect his clear coat finish from mud puddle water,
All the layers previously applied didn’t make his finish look as good as one coat of Tech Wax… (in direct sunlight no less…)
While layering might be possible for some products, for most people, it isn't the best thing for your finish.
The best thing to do is to try the product for yourself and let your eyes be the judge. I mean it's great to beat a horse to death, but nothing beats hands-on experience.
Have to go, have to get ready for a photo shoot tomorrow. I'm going to demonstrate how to layer 2 thin coats of Tech Wax on a black Corvette tomorrow for Vette Magazine after first cleaning the paint with ScratchX.
I'll tell you what the owner things and post some pictures.
Mike
I have to agree with Mike on the subject of layering. I really don't see the point of using a product that works best if you layer it. I want something that does the job with one coat. I can find much better use for my free time that layering on a product week after week after week.
Like some of the others pointed out, two applications of NXT is enough...and really, the second application is to make sure you have complete coverage.
Like some of the others pointed out, two applications of NXT is enough...and really, the second application is to make sure you have complete coverage.
Mike_Phillips
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Postwood said:
That would depend on how hard our rubbing and your application material.
If you notice of late, every time I apply the Tech Wax using the PC I always either use the W-9006 finishing pad for all applications, or if I apply Tech Wax the first time with the W-8006 polishing pad I follow that with the W-9006 finishing pad.
Application material, time, heat pressure, these all have an effect on any product.
For example, recently I tested a whole bunch of waxes, (and one polish)for their ability to remove permanent black felt marker on a clear coat paint, all but two, Klasse SG and Pinnacle Souveran removed the black felt marker.
Of course, your results and other people’s results will vary depending on how hard they rub, i.e. time, heat pressure and application material.
In my case, I used a cut-up piece of a foam wax applicator and I used equal pressure to the best of my ability when testing.
To test without integrity would be meaningless.
Of course, it’s much more fun to make your choice and then enjoy the process…
Like Nike says, �Just do it�
Mike
imported_The Uncle
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You're speaking here as if looks were the only thing that counts. But, all things being equal, a thicker layer of protection is better than a thin layer of protection. So, one coat of NXT may look better than multiple layers of SG or Zanio (although I doubt it), but multiple coats of SG will probably provide a lot better protection from the elements.
Gadfly
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Well, for me, the main thing that counts is how it looks.
Protection and lasting ability are next in the priority list. If protection from the elements were my only concern, I'd lave on cosmoline and have my vehicle protected until the next millennium.
Protection and lasting ability are next in the priority list. If protection from the elements were my only concern, I'd lave on cosmoline and have my vehicle protected until the next millennium.