Name your top three finishing/jeweling polishes.

Accumulator said:
Lonnie- I can`t imagine the method you mentioned with M205 working for me since it`d still be the same abrasives, just fewer of `em.

People have used Glossmeters to prove that their rotary burnishing is superior. Whether anybody`s naked eyes would see the diff, let alone whether the user can finish out 100% hologram-free, is another matter. I do mine via Cyclo, which they (i.e., Rupes, who now owns Cyclo Toolmakers) consider a "long-throw".
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...and the M205 would still have some Trade-Secret Oils (TSOs) even in a washed-out "softer" RED LC pad; something you, Accumulator, absolutely loath!!

Wonder how a dual opposite-rotating rotary motion Cylo is considered "long throw".. maybe "big diameter" since the dual 4" pads are like a BIG single pad. I must say, I thank Cyclo for using 4" pads. It`s the pad size I use on my PC-DA and it`s almost the perfect size for a 8mm-throw DA and my abilities, but it takes FOREVER to do a vehicle. Someone here said that Cyclo is the ONLY reason LC and others offer a 4" diameter pad, otherwise it would probably not exist! Cyclo is a forgotten polishing machine. I cannot say "obsolete", just not "popular" polishing machine. I assume it works well in the hands of a skilled operator. Just that there are not a lot of "skilled operators" anymore who use this tool day-in-and-day-out. Kind of like manual drawing draftsmen; who does manual pencil-to-paper drafting/drawing on a drawing board any more? It`s all done on a computer now.
 
My Cyclo is really gathering dust, even more so than my other polishers That said, it would be the first I would reach for if I had some paint to burnish. It’s a pleasure to polish with.
 
Lonnie said:
Seems like Scholls Concept car-care chemicals have a few Autopians approval and recommendation in this forum. The only place I see it is available from is Car-Pro web site The Sky`s the Limit Car Care (Sorry no link due to forum rules). If anyone know of others, let us know. I wish we could talk PBMG into carrying that product line, but I am sure Scholls has its non-competing exclusive distributor(s?) network in the USA. Hey, what is ONE more??
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I believe at one point they did.... I could be wrong tho.
 
Bill D said:
I’m happy to see PO85rd is still being used. It’s the last burnishing polish I bought and that was some time ago. I would think others came along and eclipsed it.
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PO85RD
Then 4500
now 3800

Man I wish they can pick a name and keep it.

BTW I still call it PO85RD no matter what the bottle says!
 
Lonnie said:
...and the M205 would still have some Trade-Secret Oils (TSOs) even in a washed-out "softer" RED LC pad; something you, Accumulator, absolutely loath!!
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Heh heh, I see I`ve ranted enough about those TSO for you to remember :D

I just don`t like dealing with Polishing Oils..I don`t like some Menzerna stuff for the same reason, and there are plenty of(other) products where they aren`t an issue.

Says the guy with nearly a gallon of M205 just sitting on the shelf :o
Wonder how a dual opposite-rotating rotary motion Cylo is considered "long throw"..
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I was a bit surprised myself, but I guess if Rupes wants to call it that...probably a matter of "relativity" between the throw and the pad size, dunno how/if the dual heads factor in.

I`d be a little surprised if LC/etc. thought about the Cyclo that much..the pads Cyclo Toolmakers sells, which seem the same as the old "Edge" line (that`s from memory, so insert an "IIRC") are probably what most Cyclo users stick with.

And yeah on the "forgotten machine". Eh, it`s really best for whole-panel work on vehicles that have/don`t certain panel contours. It does work fine, but for really aggressive work I reach for my Flex3401 and assume others reach for a 21mm long-throw.

Between not working on some parts of some vehicles, and not being as aggressive as some other polishers, I guess its appeal is just a bit too narrow compared to today`s other options.

IMO it`s not about the Cyclo user being skilled; pretty idiot-proof IMO, moreso than machines that can be more aggressive. Other than that "accommodate certain contours" issue, I`d have zero reservations handing one to a complete Newbie though I would want to make sure that Newbie had the right knowledge base/mindset.

For LSPing by machine, including buffing off with MF bonnets, as Bill D said, it`s a genuine *pleasure* to work with. Even though I sure don`t think using polishers qualifies as "pleasure"! Mine don`t even have the modern counterbalancing setup.
 
DBAILEY said:
Weren`t the Cyclo pads made by B&S? Same foams with different Velcro backing?
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Huh, I thought they were made by whomever made them for Edge.

Assuming (uh-oh..) they`re the same as they`ve always been, the Cyclo Green Polishing pads have been around since forever, dating to pre-velcro days.
 
I`m in the process of testing out some of the finishing polishes I have with the Novo-Gloss Trio gloss meter. Everything measured at the 60 degree angle. All polishing was performed consecutively. Different pressures and passes throughout, just trying to find something that could have bumped gloss up significantly. Today`s test I pulled out Meguiar`s M110, M210, Perfect Finish, and Menz 3800. Tomorrow I can try Perfecting Cream, HD Polish+, and Essence.

Pads are Buff and Shine flat foam, so I have the type of polish, the tool, and the pad color listed after the gloss measurement.

96.9 Pre-Compound Baseline (Prep-All wiped)

Meguiar`s M110
95.5 M110 GG6 Green
95.7 Prep All

Hood Left Half

Meguiar`s M210
96.5 M210 GG6 Black
96.7 Eraser
96.8 Prep All

96.8 M210 Rotary
97.0 Prep All

Sonax Perfect Finish
97.1 Perfect Finish Rotary Blue
97.1 Prep All

Menzerna 3800
97.1 Menz 3800 GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All

97.1 Menz 3800 Rotary Red
97.3 Prep All

97.1 3800 GG6 Red 3800
97.3 Prep All

97.2 3800 Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All

Perfect Finish
97.3 Perfect Finish Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All

Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 Maxshine M15 Blue
97.1 Prep All

Menzerna 3800
97.1 3800 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All

Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All

97.1 Pinnacle Souveran


Hood Right Half:

96.8 3800 GG6 Red
97.0 Prep All

97.0 Perfect Finish GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All

96.8 Zymol Vintage

Overall we have a 96.8 reading after M210 on the GG6 bumped up to a max limit of 97.3 done after Menz 3800 on the rotary. So half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. Panel wipe performed with Klean Strip Prep-All, definitely my favorite of the panel wipes I`ve tried out, although the solvent smell is fairly strong on it. 40+ measurements done per section. Small dip on the measurements after applying the waxes which is to be expected until the first wash which should remove any significant oils. Slight increase in the measurements after the panel wipe that removes any leftover polishing oils. Readings are referenced against a Rhopoint 93.7GU calibration tile.
 
Loach said:
I`m in the process of testing out some of the finishing polishes I have with the Novo-Gloss Trio gloss meter. Everything measured at the 60 degree angle. All polishing was performed consecutively. Different pressures and passes throughout, just trying to find something that could have bumped gloss up significantly. Today`s test I pulled out Meguiar`s M110, M210, Perfect Finish, and Menz 3800. Tomorrow I can try Perfecting Cream, HD Polish+, and Essence.

Pads are Buff and Shine flat foam, so I have the type of polish, the tool, and the pad color listed after the gloss measurement.

96.9 Pre-Compound Baseline (Prep-All wiped)

Meguiar`s M110
95.5 M110 GG6 Green
95.7 Prep All

Hood Left Half

Meguiar`s M210
96.5 M210 GG6 Black
96.7 Eraser
96.8 Prep All

96.8 M210 Rotary
97.0 Prep All

Sonax Perfect Finish
97.1 Perfect Finish Rotary Blue
97.1 Prep All

Menzerna 3800
97.1 Menz 3800 GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All

97.1 Menz 3800 Rotary Red
97.3 Prep All

97.1 3800 GG6 Red 3800
97.3 Prep All

97.2 3800 Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All

Perfect Finish
97.3 Perfect Finish Maxshine M15 Red
97.3 Prep All

Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 Maxshine M15 Blue
97.1 Prep All

Menzerna 3800
97.1 3800 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All

Meguiar`s M210
97.0 M210 GG6 Red
97.3 Prep All

97.1 Pinnacle Souveran


Hood Right Half:

96.8 3800 GG6 Red
97.0 Prep All

97.0 Perfect Finish GG6 Red
97.2 Prep All

96.8 Zymol Vintage

Overall we have a 96.8 reading after M210 on the GG6 bumped up to a max limit of 97.3 done after Menz 3800 on the rotary. So half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. Panel wipe performed with Klean Strip Prep-All, definitely my favorite of the panel wipes I`ve tried out, although the solvent smell is fairly strong on it. 40+ measurements done per section. Small dip on the measurements after applying the waxes which is to be expected until the first wash which should remove any significant oils. Slight increase in the measurements after the panel wipe that removes any leftover polishing oils. Readings are referenced against a Rhopoint 93.7GU calibration tile.
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Could you move this to a separate new thread? It is very interesting and deserves its own spot. I would like to see Menz 3500 results. Also foam vs microfiber vs wool readings.
 
As noted above it deserves it`s own thread Loach! That is always interesting to see the difference between polishes.

/ Tony
 
Has anyone tried the recent Adam`s white pads vs the ones they had a year ago? They told me the new ones have a "little more bite but still provide a nicely jeweled finish".

I bought the micro swirl killer plus blue and white pads for very small correction areas (etching from bird droppings, sap, etc). Would this new white pad with the extra bite but finishing qualities be enough to get rid of a dull etched spot (smaller than a dime) with the finishing polish, or start with their correcting polish (and maybe even use it on the blue pad), then finishing polish/white pad? I just want to minimize the use of compound.

And, which option would get rid of ceramic high spots, where it looks like an oily hologram? I guess that means after almost a year, the CQuartzUK 3.0 is still working.
 
DrewPT said:
...[I want to]... get rid of a dull etched spot (smaller than a dime) with the finishing polish...
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Off-topic, but I`d sure inspect that with magnification *first* to determine whether additional abrasion is gonna make things better as opposed to worse.
 
Since we are resurrecting a year-old thread, where do Griot`s Garage BOSS Finishing Sealant and McKee`s 37 Jeweling Wax fit into this jeweling process, if at all?

It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling (https://www.autopia.org/forums/mach...-polishes-jeweling-burnishing.html?highlight=) no one answered. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.

Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
 
Lonnie said:
..It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling .. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.
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Note that ..."half a gloss unit jump measured after all of that polishing which would largely not be detectable by the naked eye IMO. "

Though that does not, IMO, mean nobody would actually notice a diff IRL. But I suspect it`s a matter of *some* people looking at *some* paints under *some* conditions and those highly discerning people thinking "that one there looks a tiny bit better, but I can`t really say why".

That`s basically what happens when I follow M205 with something that I believe gives a better finish.

I always question whether Jeweling-imparted diffs will survive Real Life, including Maintenance Washes. When we`re talking diffs that aren`t really naked-eye-obvious, I just don`t see it taking much, uhm..."damage"...to nullify that.

Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
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Yes indeed! And I for one found the inclusion of Souveran, and its performance (did *not* diminish the gloss that much), interesting too. Heh heh, that "first wash that removes polishing oils" will probably pretty much remove the Souveran too!

Yeah, I wonder about the GG Polishing Sealant and that Finishing Wax. With LSPs generally diminishing the gloss (compared to polished-but-bare paint), whatever LSP-stuff those leave behind might do....?what?

When I follow something like M205 (with the TSO stripped off) with my [Finishing Polishes that leave stuff behind], it`s a noticeable improvement that I find obvious. I`ve always wondered whether it was the additional/lighter polishing or the LSP-stuff or a combo of the two, or...what?
 
Thanks guys! Wow over a year ago since I last posted up some numbers, I`ll run some tests tomorrow and we`ll do another round of numbers. I haven`t witnessed above the 97-98GU ceiling yet for this panel at the 60° measurement angle. I`ve lost count of how many times I`ve polished the test hood out since then, but without wetsanding we appear to be maxed out.

Lonnie said:
Since we are resurrecting a year-old thread, where do Griot`s Garage BOSS Finishing Sealant and McKee`s 37 Jeweling Wax fit into this jeweling process, if at all?

It is funny that when I asked several years ago in August of 2016 about jeweling (https://www.autopia.org/forums/mach...-polishes-jeweling-burnishing.html?highlight=) no one answered. My concern was IF it was worth it and, if so, how it was being done and with what products.

Loach, you are an Autopian All-Star for taking the time to test, measure, record and post your polishes gloss results. A truly objective detailing/science experiment. Kudos!
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Thanks Lonnie! I was actually at the Mobile Tech Expo on Saturday, and I was chatting with Rod Kraft at Griot`s who I hadn`t met before about the entire lineup, and we get to the Finishing Sealant and he goes and hands me a bottle and says, try this out, you`re going to absolutely love this stuff. So I will be able to pair up the Finishing Sealant next to the Jeweling Wax and we`ll see what kind of numbers we can pull out of the paint! Love the scent they put on the abrasives in the BOSS line, not too strong, but very pleasant and it has me reaching for the Perfecting Cream much more often now compared to others.
 
If it hasn`t been listed: Xtreme Solutions LVR 403, unless you are strictly staying to polishes that do not leave any protection behind.
 
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