C/D Preview of 2007 Lexus ES350

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Setec Astronomy

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I thought someone said the new ES was going to be exclusive to Lexus and not share any engineering with Toyota? Here's some excerpts from my new Car & Driver (April 2006):



"A new Lexus ES, like the Camry on which it is based, surfaces every four to five years."



"With a new engine and sheetmetal based on the platform of the new Camry--"



"...the pushbutton-started 3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V-6 common with the Camry, Avalon, and RAV4 supplies..."
 
Haha...it's really no secret...the ES has always been a chrome- and wood-plated camry...



It is really really cost-effective for Lexus to use Toyota engineering, rather than start from scratch themselves...most luxo brands use modified parts from their more affordable siblings...:D



Is it just me or is the new dash SOOOO ugly????
 
I'm sure we'll get some interesting responses from current owners. :geez



And yes, I agree with drewski that the new ES dash/interior is :eek: :confused:
 
drewski59 said:
Haha...it's really no secret...the ES has always been a chrome- and wood-plated camry...
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Haha! Well put. Also, FYI I believe the original Lexus GS got it's V6 engine from the Toyota Supra.



Parts, engine, and even platform sharing are very common in the car industry. I could give you a very, very long list of cars that share a significant number of parts but I have better things to do with my life than type for an hour.



However, it varies from person to person how much has to be different for that person to perceive the similar cars as different or even worth the premium to move into the higher end version. The Lexus ES is a great example of this issue, because the cars share SO many parts and the prices are not extremely far apart.
 
Glad to see that for some it takes C&D to point out the obvious :wall. And as for auto mfg borrowing from one line to the other well all I can really say is....i guess that's why you're detailing cars and running companies that make cars. I don't have the time to teach a crash course in business so I'll y'all figure it out on your own.



I will bet the same people that b*tch about this topic use the same auto detailing products on all the cars they detail, whether it be a $95k Porsche or a $35k Acura they get the same product :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: how ironic ... let the denial posts begin
 
MrLEXUS2u said:
I will bet the same people that b*tch about this topic use the same auto detailing products on all the cars they detail, whether it be a $95k Porsche or a $35k Acura they get the same product :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: how ironic ... let the denial posts begin
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Ummm yeah . . . didn't really notice any posts in this thread that I would consider bitching . . . also not really sure what your point is about using the same detailing products on different makes of cars . . . :nervous:
 
MrLEXUS2u said:
Glad to see that for some it takes C&D to point out the obvious :wall. And as for auto mfg borrowing from one line to the other well all I can really say is....i guess that's why you're detailing cars and running companies that make cars. I don't have the time to teach a crash course in business so I'll y'all figure it out on your own.



I will bet the same people that b*tch about this topic use the same auto detailing products on all the cars they detail, whether it be a $95k Porsche or a $35k Acura they get the same product :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: how ironic ... let the denial posts begin
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You really get yourself in trouble on this board for making tactless posts. I should know!



Also there's a 3 line limit for sigs. ;)
 
Mike I'll make my point in a little more detail for you, as a matter of fact I'll do it in an outline format so it's easy to follow:



1. you got people saying the ES is a fancy version of the Camry

2. they say this because of the many similarities between the 2 cars

3. apparently this seems to be a negative on this board

4. it's painfully obvious :hairpull that this is a common practice for auto mfg the reasons again being business and a little too over the heads of many posters here so i wont waste my time.



okay that's part one and the basis for my comment, here comes part 2.



1. so the concensus here is that it's bad, a very bad thing that auto mfg use the SAME parts, pieces - whatever on their various lines of autos.

2. therefore, if you're a detailer, you should then be using different product lines on different car makes right? after all it's bad when auto mfg use the same part on 3-4 different cars.

3. if you're a professional auto detailer who thinks an auto mfg is cheating the public by using similar parts on various cars then it would only stand to reason that if that detailer uses the Meg line (for example) for all his/her details then that would by hypocritical right?

4. so then you should (as a prof detailer with this mind set) be carrying at least 5-7 different product lines in each category (glazes, sealants, waxes, polishes, QDs ect) since you can't treat a honda accord the way you would a porsche.



phew it's tiring dumbing things down.
 
I think those that believe that the ES is *more* than just a juicy Camry are in a small minority. *I* was being completely sarcastic.
 
MrLEXUS2u said:
Mike I'll make my point in a little more detail for you, as a matter of fact I'll do it in an outline format so it's easy to follow:



1. you got people saying the ES is a fancy version of the Camry

2. they say this because of the many similarities between the 2 cars

3. apparently this seems to be a negative on this board

4. it's painfully obvious :hairpull that this is a common practice for auto mfg the reasons again being business and a little too over the heads of many posters here so i wont waste my time.



okay that's part one and the basis for my comment, here comes part 2.



1. so the concensus here is that it's bad, a very bad thing that auto mfg use the SAME parts, pieces - whatever on their various lines of autos.

2. therefore, if you're a detailer, you should then be using different product lines on different car makes right? after all it's bad when auto mfg use the same part on 3-4 different cars.

3. if you're a professional auto detailer who thinks an auto mfg is cheating the public by using similar parts on various cars then it would only stand to reason that if that detailer uses the Meg line (for example) for all his/her details then that would by hypocritical right?

4. so then you should (as a prof detailer with this mind set) be carrying at least 5-7 different product lines in each category (glazes, sealants, waxes, polishes, QDs ect) since you can't treat a honda accord the way you would a porsche.



phew it's tiring dumbing things down.
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I keep my family sedan wax away from my luxury car wax. I also keep my luxury car wax very far away from ANY Acura TL or Lexus ES. :think:
 
MrLEXUS2u said:
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Wow what a great way to summarize all of our ideas, especially when you are relatively new here. Congrats!



Only no. I can't recall anybody here saying that sharing parts between base and luxury brands is a bad thing. We have on many occasions stated that it is common practice and that it's simply a part of how marketing is conducted. Most people will opt for sirloin, but you've always got the choice of prime rib.



The original post in this thread by Setec is basically a followup from a previous discussion about how many of Toyota and Lexus's cars share the same platform and components (there was some debate about how the Lexus engineers had stricter tolerances and whatnot and someone stated that Lexus now had a separate engineering division from Toyota).



So if you somehow feel threatened by this thread relating to whether or not your car is a rebranded Toyota Aristo, then that is not our intention. Autopia is a forum for discussion of detailing among other things, and I doubt anyone here wants to put themselves at the mercy of a heated debate.



IMHO, your correlation between automobile platform sharing and using the same detailing products on cars is just a foolish way to try to stir up more trouble. We all know better than that, and to suggest otherwise is just an insult to the many professional detailers and enthusiasts here.
 
Well Mr Southpark fan, I didn't know there was a certain level of seniority I had to attain before I was able to state or make a point on this BB. Apparently I missed something in the rules so if you would kindly let me know at what level of seniority can I begin to openly and freely state my opinion be it good, bad or indifferent that would be most helpful. Is there an apprentice program I have to complete first? Please advise.



Secondly, while it's easy to use inflamitory statements like I'm trying to stir up trouble or that I am "insulting" auto detailers (which, by- the- way, is how I earned my $$$ through college so i have nothing but respect for the profession) I think it's a lot harder to prove it. THEREFORE I will ask you to show me where exactly I insulted those in the auto detail profession and where or how I am "stirring up" trouble. Yes, I'm challenging you to think and use your brain. My guess is that you will read this and move along to the next post.



I'll be waiting for that list mentioned in the first paragraph.
 
Oh wait... is that what I think it is?? *laughter clickity click click click* Ahh yes, the sound of people clicking back to the main forum index to read something of value.
 
wildboar said:
Oh wait... is that what I think it is?? *laughter clickity click click click* Ahh yes, the sound of people clicking back to the main forum index to read something of value.
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...while agreeing it's an overpriced, tweaked Camry in numerous ways, coupled with boring styling and a hideous instrument cluster.



For that money, buy a loaded BMW 330i and call it a day.
 
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