black car, a detailing challenge.

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DJOKER81

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A few weeks ago i gave my car (which i have owned for seven months) a nice lil detail.

First rinsed it off out of the sun from top to bottom

then i washed it *meguiars soap* *wool mitt vroom*

then i dried it *using the ABSORBER* synthetic cloth :)

after which time i applied the clay *clay magic*

I then rinsed the car and dried it again.

Next i used a polish *applied with foam applicator* then removed it using 100% cotton polising/waxing cloths (viking).

After this i used meguiars autoglaze *once again applying with foam applicator* then removed it as in previous step.

Next i waxed the car *carnuba/uv sunscreen mix*, applied then removed.



I noticed after this there were swirl marks which i removed the next week with meguiars swirl/scratch remover.



I still see alot of those stupid spider web like scratches



any tips?..pointers?



anything would be appreciated :).
 
What polish did you use?



My advice: get a PC. I tried polishing my car by hand and got nowhere. It seems like machine polishing is the only way to go with some types of paint.
 
Definitely get a PC. It's the best tool you can own for your black car.

Now if you got swirls that look like any of these, then you can get them out pretty easily with a PC.



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But if you got holograms left by a detailer like this, you will need a rotary before finishing with a PC

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Once you get a PC, get M80 and M83 from Meguiar's. Also get the W8006 yellow pad. Actually buy a case of them.



While you're at it, buy some M21 Synthetic Sealant, and get a W9006 foam pad to apply it with.



Also buy a W-7006 red cutting pad and a Meguiar's microfiber bonnet for wax removal.



That will get you started to significantly improving your finish.



Richard





DJOKER81 said:
A few weeks ago i gave my car (which i have owned for seven months) a nice lil detail.

First rinsed it off out of the sun from top to bottom

then i washed it *meguiars soap* *wool mitt vroom*

then i dried it *using the ABSORBER* synthetic cloth :)

after which time i applied the clay *clay magic*

I then rinsed the car and dried it again.

Next i used a polish *applied with foam applicator* then removed it using 100% cotton polising/waxing cloths (viking).

After this i used meguiars autoglaze *once again applying with foam applicator* then removed it as in previous step.

Next i waxed the car *carnuba/uv sunscreen mix*, applied then removed.



I noticed after this there were swirl marks which i removed the next week with meguiars swirl/scratch remover.



I still see alot of those stupid spider web like scratches



any tips?..pointers?



anything would be appreciated :).
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If you skip the PC, I higly recommend doing the 3M 3 step.

Get the 3M Rubbing compound for dark cars and be prepared to do some work! I did it before I had my PC and it took a couple of hours but the results were A+. The next morning my friend asked me if I had had the car painted. It never looked that good in the sun.

The best advice for black cars is to wash with a sea sponge like in this kit



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and stop using auto store MF towels. I use Sonus Der Wunder polishing towels(without the prickly ends, bad news for black) to remove waxes and the Meguiar's gold class buffing towels for the final touches. Buffing with a polishing towel is not the best for black paint in the long run. And dry your car by first spraying with a quick detailer, I'm waiting for my FK1 #425. With a black Car I would keep quick detailing to a minimum and only touch the paint when its CLEAN. Never rub on black paint unless its wet.

That means you'll have to buy a Carnauba spritz when applying wax with carnauba or a spraying an acrylic spritz on the paint surface when applying sealants.



Its excessive but black paint requires twice the work for thos traffic stopping looks.

http://www.topoftheline.com/bescarcleank.html
 
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racingbeat said:
If you skip the PC, I higly recommend doing the 3M 3 step.

Get the 3M Rubbing compound for dark cars and be prepared to do some work! I did it before I had my PC and it took a couple of hours but the results were A+. The next morning my friend asked me if I had had the car painted. It never looked that good in the sun.

The best advice for black cars is to wash with a sea sponge like in this kit



tolae_1886_20856335


and stop using auto store MF towels. I use Sonus Der Wunder polishing towels(without the prickly ends, bad news for black) to remove waxes and the Meguiar's gold class buffing towels for the final touches. Buffing with a polishing towel is not the best for black paint in the long run. And dry your car by first spraying with a quick detailer, I'm waiting for my FK1 #425. With a black Car I would keep quick detailing to a minimum and only touch the paint when its CLEAN. Never rub on black paint unless its wet.

That means you'll have to buy a Carnauba spritz when applying wax with carnauba or a spraying an acrylic spritz on the paint surface when applying sealants.



Its excessive but black paint requires twice the work for thos traffic stopping looks.

http://www.topoftheline.com/bescarcleank.html
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yes black paint does require twice the work....

I have quickly learned alot of things about black paint...cant dream of washin it in even the slightest hint of sun, cant buff like the karate kid *wax-a on wax-a off* and people bumping my door to close it....IT DRIVES ME INSANE!! :hairpull

but the results from a good wax ...well...make me want to have relations with it :lol



and about the sea sponge...sounds good. I have been using a wool mitt, but i get a bad feeling with that thing :work: .

Any further advice you can PM me with would be greatly appreciated.
 
where can i buy the 3m products you speak of?, and in regards to using a pc..

I wouldnt touch that because i am not much of a machine man...i would probably pull the paint off :(.
 
DJOKER81 said:
where can i buy the 3m products you speak of?, and in regards to using a pc..

I wouldnt touch that because i am not much of a machine man...i would probably pull the paint off :(.
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The main thing to remember is with any abrasive polish you need it to break down for it to work without leaving any marring...it difficult to do this on black paint by hand.



Most people who have light or metallic colored cars never see the marring and can use most products without any problem...but for dark colored cars you see all the imperfections.





3M SMR is not the best to work with by hand...here's what can happen if you don't work it in properly:



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Don't be afraid of the PC it's can remove most imperfections in black paint....it can do wonders without compromising too much clear.



Here is the same area after using 3M with a PC:



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hmm yukon, i may consider getting a pc...but if i do..could you throw me some pointers...since you seem to be a seasoned pro :)
 
PC is a must have for a black car. There is very little danger in a orbital polisher like the PC 7424.

Just rememeber: ALWAYS HOLD IT WITH TWO HANDS when doing the fenders, hood, and trunk.

at high speeds its easy for you to let it slip and fall on the car...DING!
 
He he, the PC might just be the start on the road to The Trinity :D. A black car requires me to have a PC, Cyclo, and rotary on hand. Hard black paint can be incredibly difficult to maintain if you aren't constantly on the ball with careful clean ups. When defect correction is required, I almost always reach for the Cyclo first. Outside of hard-to-reach spots in need of attention ( PC with a 4" pad) and AIO application ( PC with 6" black pad) towards the end of a complete detail or a LSP reapplication process, I never use my PC.
 
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