$300 In An Hour

This product def seems interesting, but I feel that I would want to learn more about it. Thanks for posting the product, I hope to learn more about it. I have one question that touches on TrueDetailer's comments, and that is can we still perform our norm services to the cars? There are always the customers looking to the the absolute least amount of work and that is where I feel I can sell this, but what about my regulars that like that freshly polished and waxed look? I don't want my regulars to have to pay me more to reapply, but I also don't want to lose the upkeep services. Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Jason
 
Anthony Orosco said:
To a slight degree we have noticed it does help in prolonging the polished paint stay swirl free (from washing and drying).



Ok, you just said it wouldn't need to be protected again for 3 years, then you say it helps prolong the protection of the paint, but only to a slight degree :rolleyes: If my paint is only slightly protected for three years, chances are there will be some serious damage.





And I still don't know what the product were talking about is.
 
TrueDetailer said:
I don't even know where to start with the statements you made in this reply.



First off, You didn't really answer my question in your reply. About if this product prevents swirls,etching,scratches,etc,etc.



Second, most people don't own garage queens, so that statement you made about cars not having to be clayed or polished ever is too funny. Every car i have ever worked on has needed some kind of correction. Even brand new cars need to be clayed and sometimes polished.



And even if a car is properly maintained it will eventually need to be polished. There is no way to prevent swirls even with the most anal upkeep of a vehicle, you're going to get them. And far before that coating wears off, by the time frame they claim at least.



Lastly, if this product lasts that long how is it going to put more money in my pocket? The way i look at it is i just screwed myself out of a wash and wax job every 4 to 6 weeks. And possibly a few full exterior details if this stuff prevents swirls and such. Now my customer thinks all he'll need for the next few years is a basic wash. So i went from making say 200 a month on one customer to only 100. Say i get every customer i have on board for that coating well i just lost out on ever waxing or polishing a car again for years. So in reallity that coating might of made me a little extra cash in the short run but in the long run i lost more then it made me.





Now i'm not trying to bash this product, just the truthful opinion of a pro.



First, I did reply to those questions. Look again.



Secondly, I never said YOU HAD to use this product. I offered my experience with it to others and if they want to use it they can.



Thirdly, I stated this was geared to pros and I also stated how it can be used most effectively. I still wash and maintain my clients cars with this coating and I even wax them on a regular basis. This does not mean you cannot nor do not continue to wax cars. I can wash and dry a car with this coating on it and if done correctly never touch it with a towel except to blot a few areas. So this saves time plus towels used, therefore one can theoretically do more cars with less towels.



Fourth, I have several cars in my care that I have not polished in over 3 years. They are garage queens to the extreme. I seek out this type of client because I hate washing cars, hence the development of Optimum No Rinse and my use of it.



This coating suits MY specific needs and desires (and I am sure those of others), Does it suit yours? Perhaps not and that's fine but unless you have first hand use of it and its benefits then you can only speculate.



Anthony
 
You have to understand that this is going to bring on a whole lot of questions and speculation and the best thing you can do is just give as much detailed information about what this product really is. I've been reading through these 2 pages and still don't really know how it protects for 3 years?
 
MCWD said:
This product def seems interesting, but I feel that I would want to learn more about it. Thanks for posting the product, I hope to learn more about it. I have one question that touches on TrueDetailer's comments, and that is can we still perform our norm services to the cars? There are always the customers looking to the the absolute least amount of work and that is where I feel I can sell this, but what about my regulars that like that freshly polished and waxed look? I don't want my regulars to have to pay me more to reapply, but I also don't want to lose the upkeep services. Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Jason





Yes, you can still maintain your weekly, bi-weekly and monthly clients just as you normally do.



Look at this coating as an extra layer of insurance in the area of durability. My clients have noticed that during rain their cars are less dirty than without the coating therefore this means the cars should be easier to clean.



This coating aids in washing, the soap kinda "peels" away from the paint and then after rinsing the forced air from an electric leaf blower pretty much dries the car without the use of a towel. It takes a little practice but I can dry Porsches with this coating on and not use a towel except to dry door jams.



You can still use a wax over the coating and also a sealant but the coating alone provides a great look also.



A typical conversation with your client can go like this.



Client: How long does your best wax last?



You: About 3 to 5 months, depending on how it's washed and cared for, driven, garaged, etc.



Client: Well I drive my car through the touchless car washes. Does that hurt the wax?



You: Yeah, those harsh soaps can really shorten the life of the wax. I can though apply a coating to your paint that won't be removed by those washes. It's not like a conventional wax that wears off after a few weeks or months. I can still wax the car but with this coating you can have peace of mind that after the wax wears off you're still protected.



Hope that helps,

Anthony
 
anarchistchiken said:
Ok, you just said it wouldn't need to be protected again for 3 years, then you say it helps prolong the protection of the paint, but only to a slight degree :rolleyes: If my paint is only slightly protected for three years, chances are there will be some serious damage.





And I still don't know what the product were talking about is.



The product is a coating developed by Optimum. It has no name as of yet, I just call is a coating.



Also, I never stated that it keeps paint from being scratched but rather that it *MAY* lessen the scratches when they do occur.



I am defining *protection* in the same sense as you would for a wax and/or sealant. This does not provide an armor type coating that repels scratches, laser beams and meteorites. So think of it as your best sealant or wax but on major steroids.



Anthony
 
Interesting product Anthony. What's the price point of the product/warranty and will Optimum be self insuring the product warranty or will it be a 3rd party plan?
 
ktorres1120 said:
You have to understand that this is going to bring on a whole lot of questions and speculation and the best thing you can do is just give as much detailed information about what this product really is. I've been reading through these 2 pages and still don't really know how it protects for 3 years?





It bonds or adheres to the paint on a molecular level through crosslinking. Again very similar to how a polymer sealant works but again think of it as a sealant but a sealant on steroids.



Paint crosslinks and only certain solvents can pass that crosslinking. So wax does not bond or crosslink with paint but rather rests on top of the paint in the form of a film.



Polymers though set up and crosslink with paint which makes their application more permanent than wax which is why many detailers apply a sealant and then a wax on top. This gives them the best of both worlds in terms of looks and durability. This coating takes that principle and pumps up the durability, longevity and protection.



Again I hope this helps,

Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
The product is a coating developed by Optimum. It has no name as of yet, I just call is a coating.



Also, I never stated that it keeps paint from being scratched but rather that it *MAY* lessen the scratches when they do occur.



I am defining *protection* in the same sense as you would for a wax and/or sealant. This does not provide an armor type coating that repels scratches, laser beams and meteorites. So think of it as your best sealant or wax but on major steroids.



Anthony



Sounds like 100 other products and they are all "coatings" too. Page 1, this was the holy grail. Forward to page 3 and its just another day in the world of detailing.
 
David Fermani said:
Interesting product Anthony. What's the price point of the product/warranty and will Optimum be self insuring the product warranty or will it be a 3rd party plan?



Now here are some great questions....why? Because David sees the potential and thinks like a business man.



Price point is iffy at the moment. Doctor G. has gone round and round with price so that's not yet confirmed.



The warranty will most likely be written by a 3rd party as that would give it more clout to the potential buyer.....but again this is not yet confirmed.



Let me also state here that my use of this product will be for mainly dealers. I will apply the product and sell the warranty to the dealer who then passes that on to the buyer.



Before final release there is some more testing of application and most important will be the products container. It must be kept as air tight as possible.



Great questions David,

Anthony
 
sQuashed said:
Sounds like 100 other products and they are all "coatings" too. Page 1, this was the holy grail. Forward to page 3 and its just another day in the world of detailing.



What post are you reading? I never stated nor proclaimed it as the "holy grail". Never.



I made the post on how professional detailers can earn some extra cash in a very short amount of time with both private clients and dealers.



There are also thousands of waxes and sealants yet I am sure you still use some of them correct? Do you then go to each thread that mentions a product and make the same statements? Think about it.
 
rydawg said:
How much is this gonna cost?



Not yet sure on cost. The first idea was around $90 for 4 ounces of product but the product has been re-worked some and never really talked with Doctor G. about it since then.



I get about 4 or 5 cars out of those 4 ounces.....less if I apply it to a larger car or more than one coating per car.



Anthony
 
backwoods_lex said:
Wow guys. Anthony isn't some clown buffing cars with pledge. Take it easy.



Hey thanks. Appreciate that. By the way, love the avatar:rofl I mean I am a great fan of Mr. Charles but dang that's funny!



Anthony
 
Anthony Orosco said:
A typical conversation with your client can go like this.



Client: How long does your best wax last?



You: About 3 to 5 months, depending on how it's washed and cared for, driven, garaged, etc.



Client: Well I drive my car through the touchless car washes. Does that hurt the wax?



You: Yeah, those harsh soaps can really shorten the life of the wax. I can though apply a coating to your paint that won't be removed by those washes. It's not like a conventional wax that wears off after a few weeks or months. I can still wax the car but with this coating you can have peace of mind that after the wax wears off you're still protected.



Hope that helps,

Anthony



Actually, that part helps me. I have a customer who runs his Lexus through the touch free car wash 4-6 times each WEEK. This might be a product he'd be interested in.



Not so sure my regulars would be interested in it but those who call for new car prep who are one timers or those who wait a full year in between details might also be candidates for this sealant.
 
This seems to be the evolution of sealants IMO.



Anthony, the animosity seems to stem from the reputation of prior "coatings" aka, Matrix, glare, toughguard, dealer scam, etc. I guess it could be helpful if you were to differentiate this product from other "coatings" or explain how it is similar.



Interesting to say the least.
 
Anthony Orosco said:
Now here are some great questions....why? Because David sees the potential and thinks like a business man.



Price point is iffy at the moment. Doctor G. has gone round and round with price so that's not yet confirmed.



The warranty will most likely be written by a 3rd party as that would give it more clout to the potential buyer.....but again this is not yet confirmed.



Let me also state here that my use of this product will be for mainly dealers. I will apply the product and sell the warranty to the dealer who then passes that on to the buyer.



Before final release there is some more testing of application and most important will be the products container. It must be kept as air tight as possible.



Great questions David,

Anthony





Where many dealer protection products fail both the dealer and the product manufacturer is that the warranty/instructions are either not explained or misinformed. I personally (as well as dealerships) want a customer to return atleast annually for say an inspection and possibly a free reapplication. At that time additional services/products(tar removal/scratch removal/interior clean) can be upsold for back-end profit. I'm actually interested in this particular product's claim on its longevity too. That alone doesn't mean just because the product *can* last up to 3 years doesn't mean you don't need to service your customer for that long. It's up to how you market it and your service for the most bang for the buck. Having a product actually last that long is icing on the cake. Again, I really think this product, (if done properly) can really be a hit with dealers. Just make sure that the product/warranty cost is in line with competitors in that arena. Dealers still believe that the stuff they're currently offering actually last 5-6 years without reapplications. So getting through to them making them believe yours is the real deal is a worthless battle. I do think it's main deferential from products already in place is the WOWA aspect. Nothing like that is being used yet (at dealers). Can't wait to see what happens.
 
NSXTASY said:
This seems to be the evolution of sealants IMO.



Anthony, the animosity seems to stem from the reputation of prior "coatings" aka, Matrix, glare, toughguard, dealer scam, etc. I guess it could be helpful if you were to differentiate this product from other "coatings" or explain how it is similar.



Interesting to say the least.



There are a few companies out there who have a similar coating. G-Techniq was out last year, it was very expensive and sold in tiny ounces.



A good frind of mine from the UK tells me that there is also a new coating from Japan that he has been using and is suppose to last a really long time that has been out for a while too.
 
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