Zaino, I'm a believer.

AIO or Polish will remove Zaino, so you will have to re Zaino later. Just wash and clay before polishing. You never want to polish unless there is a reason, IE swirls, scuffs, rough surface, dull paint, ect.
 
Matt83076 said:
I would be interested in some opinions some of you may have concerning Zaino over something like NXT. I have no doubt what so ever that with excellent prep Zaino looks very very good. But I have also found that with limited prep the look of zaino seems to diminish quite a bit. NXT, on the other hand, (again in my opinion) seems to look great, even if I don't have the time to do much prep. And unfortunately, I USUALLY don't have much time to do a ton of prep work before I wax my car.



So, is it a fair statement to say that a product like zaino is best left to those that have the time and expertise to make the most of it?
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You are correct that NXT has a cleaning ability, where Zaino is strickly a sealant. Zaino gains it's clear high shine by correct finish polishing prior to application.



NXT is not as critical, it's an OTC (over-the-counter) consumer product made for people who want to wax and protect the finish with little or no prep. If you polish the finish prior to NXT, then it's just enhancing the shine of your work. It does seem to do a very nice job in shine, just that Zaino is more of a show-car sealant and where it really works well is in indoor car shows under metal halide lamps. Zaino was not intended to be a cleaner/sealant.



You can also look into other sealants such as Menzerna FMJ, Poorboys EX, Klasse AIO/SG, etc.



Some sealants with an added clear caranuba wax deepen the wet look, but some waxes can also mute the clarity.



It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Fist step, no matter what wax/sealant you use is proper finish cleaning, polishing, finish polishing before your LSP.



Maybe it's time for an online detail supplier to make up a sample pack of sealants, polishes, waxes etc for those not wanting to spend $$ on just one product. If it was obtainable, more people could find just what they are looking for and stick with it.



The better you get in polishing, the better it looks no matter what you put on top, within reason.



Enjoy the time and keep searching for more information.



Regards,

Deanski
 
mochamanz said:
Is this a mistake? We were not discussing NXT compared to Zaino.... You Dissed a fine detail job by omission of the topic of discussion ! Whatever the point of this post, it really was a slap in the face for this poster, and was clearly un-Autopian. Out of the blue stuff like this is just plain uncalled for....I really dislike this kind of disingenuous baiting of product enthusiasts This is very offensive posting !:angry





We need a kidnapped thread warning button....:nono
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I take no offense.



I'm new here, but spend a lot of time on discussion groups for my other hobbys like Pontiac GTO, underwater video, scuba, golf, home theater, etc..



Discussions frequently go off topic and people arguing over what the best product is happens on all boards. Luckily, wax/polish/sealents are relatively cheap so we can all sample what's out there and determine what works best for ourselves. Can't say the same thing for scuba or video equipment.



Cheers to a great discussion board.
 
I am offended for you then.... This was just uncalled for ! Anyway, I guess I should go have my coffee... maybe that was the tipping point for me ! No coffee !:hairpull :rofl
 
just asking for clarification regarding possible overinflated product claims or infomercial sounding posts exagerating a product- Zaino is good the question is-is it as good as some people claim when they make blanket statements that its the best in every category hands down.-where others took that is their perogrative whether you like it or not. Questions and opions are part of what a message board is.
 
mochamanz said:
I am offended for you then.... This was just uncalled for ! Anyway, I guess I should go have my coffee... maybe that was the tipping point for me ! No coffee !:hairpull :rofl
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Here's something REALLY off topic.



If you want to start an argument, we can talk coffee.



Blue Mountain Jamaican is the best.
 
the only good cofee is chocolate coffee-it covers the taste:D in all honesty most of what gets posted here is personal opinion-view it as such
 
I used NXT on the Explorer & Zaino on the Cad. Both looked great w/NXT looking a little deeper for the first three weeks or so. Then it fades in comparison.

NXT= little prep, once a month applications.

Zaino= lots of prep, once every three months+ applications.



Anyone want some NXT? I got some I'm not useing.
 
I hear ya, I've tried Meg's products in the past, most where poo. I had one of their first clay bars that disintegrate as I used it leaving huge messes, I've had their waxes that were a pain to use, dusted like crazy and lasted about 2 week. I've used Klasse for many years but after trying NXT at their detail event it gave me as good or maybe better results as Klasse AIO but easier to use. Also, their clay is a good any anyone else I've tried and for $10, pretty cheap. As I've stated before, I never said I used Zaino but I've seen cars done with Zaino and I wasn't impressed but I don't know what their process was to put it on so it's possible that under the right circumstance, Zaino is great. So until I see different, the hype is greater than the reality.



As for being a big fan of Meguiars, just some products, most I don't like. I prefer Malco polishes but I think the Meguiars professional products pretty good. I prefer NoTouch tire dressing over Meguiars Hotshine or InsaneShine. I prefer Eagle wheel/tire cleaners and car wash soap over Meguiars. I prefer Meg's Quick Detailer over other detailers I've tried and I prefer NXT Tech Wax over any other wax I've tried. So I agree, at that time, based on what was available from Meguiars 2 years ago, it wasn't very pretty but products/brands change, even Mercedes makes almost realiable cars now than they did 3 years ago.







Intermezzo said:
More confident with Meguiar's? What are you trying to pull Buell? :)



This seems to go against most of what you've written over at MBWorld... where you make very clear how you feel about Meguiar's (it ain't pretty) and you even recommend and use boutique last step products (Klasse & Zaino). Or is this a different buellwinkle that's posting here?
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and even NXT can be a bit hit and miss-on some colors it looks really good and on others it looks a bit artificial or plasticky
 
wannafbody said:
just asking for clarification regarding possible overinflated product claims or infomercial sounding posts exagerating a product- Zaino is good the question is-is it as good as some people claim when they make blanket statements that its the best in every category hands down.-where others took that is their perogrative whether you like it or not. Questions and opions are part of what a message board is.
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Well, these kinds of Zaino Zealots may be rampant over at other places like the corvette forum, but if anyone makes a blanket comment like that here or tries to hype a product so much that it almost insults the intelligence of the Autopian community, they usually get shot down pretty quickly or just ignored. I'm not referring to just Zaino either. Look at all the controversy surrounding the time when Phillips took pot shots at Zaino while pimping NXT as if it were "hands down" the best stuff available on the market.



:bow to DavidB for not letting sponsors posting about their products in any part of the forum except the Ask the Manufacturer forum.



BTW, Mother's Reflections is Hands Down the best $hit money can buy! Anything else isn't worth the plastic used to make their containers! :D
 
wannafbody said:
and even NXT can be a bit hit and miss-on some colors it looks really good and on others it looks a bit artificial or plasticky
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Very true. I love it on dark metallic blue but on lighter colors I tend to go with other products. Zaino is awesome on silver paint and so is Shokar (I'm still holding out hope it becomes available) but on my own black car, I've more happy with carnaubas than sealants. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.



ronrosa-great job on your car! :xyxthumbs
 
on my Navy Blue Mettallic I get better mettallic pop from Tropicare than NXT-NXT does have the edge on depth tho- Collinite 845 gives a nice glow on darker colors
 
The problem is that we have too many fine products to choose from. They all have some type of short-coming for each individual detailer. There is no perfect product that fills the need for everyone's sense of beauty (appearance), durability, ease of use, availability, etc.



Mike P made a profound but simple statement a couple of years ago. To paraphase: Use what you like and meets your detailing needs. :wavey
 
ronrosa said:
Here's something REALLY off topic.



If you want to start an argument, we can talk coffee.



Blue Mountain Jamaican is the best.
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Yeah, if you can REALLY FIND IT, instead of re-badged Costa Rican (a fine coffee in and of itself, at 1/6th the price). I just ordered from Hualalai Estates, some peaberry, some extra fancy, and some aged organic. Their coffee is bolder and winier than a lot of other Hawaiian coffee. I have a pound of unroasted peaberry that I'm going to roast up later today!



I had the Jamaican Blue Mountain when I was in Jamaica. It was good coffee, but no one there knew how to brew a good cup, it seemed to me.





Oh; your car looks great! I've used the Z. It's good stuff. As a regular Meg's user, I'll say that Z is every bit as good in its own way. It all comes down to preferences.



Clay won't remove waxes and sealants, because they aren't the same as contaminants. Waxes and sealants form a film, which behaves differently. What clay WILL do is pull out a contaminant which then disturbs the film, causing it to fail sooner (films start to fail at edges, and when you pull out a contaminant you create an edge). Think about it; does your claybar build up a waxy residue? There is an entire branch of chemistry that deals with film behavior.



I think we can stop calling Z users "zealots". WE'RE ALL ZEALOTS HERE. It would be really really strange to come to a forum devoted to clean cars and NOT find people who get fantastic results from, and whom love the look and protection of, Zaino. Heck, they WILL get fantastic results, because as Autopians they've prepped the car right!



Oh; as far as "ignore list", things change. There is a guy here who used to be on my ignore list who has become quite understanding and reasonable, and whose opinion I have come to trust.



I can see from all the quotes that this thread has been heavily moderated; good job, and thank you, misters moderators!





Tom
 
Matt83076 said:
I would be interested in some opinions some of you may have concerning Zaino over something like NXT. I have no doubt what so ever that with excellent prep Zaino looks very very good. But I have also found that with limited prep the look of zaino seems to diminish quite a bit. NXT, on the other hand, (again in my opinion) seems to look great, even if I don't have the time to do much prep. And unfortunately, I USUALLY don't have much time to do a ton of prep work before I wax my car.



So, is it a fair statement to say that a product like zaino is best left to those that have the time and expertise to make the most of it?
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My brother and I actually did a side by side comparison of Zaino and Meg's #26 on our two light colored Vettes. One white and one Sunshine Yellow. We used both products on one-half of each Vette. My brother spoke to Sal Zaino himself by phone for 45 minutes to ensure that we followed the correct steps for the application of the Zaino.



The yellow Vette has paint in excellent condition while the white Vette has paint in very good condition. We washed, clayed, and prepped both cars the same. All products were applied and removed by hand. No extra or PC polishing was done to either car. Only 100% cotton towels (per Sal's excellent recommendation) were used for drying and product removal. Here is what we observed based upon our personal opinions and agreement between the two of us:



Day 1: We both agreed that initially the #26 side was a bit shinier and noticably deeper than the Zaino. On a scale of 0 - 100 the Meg's was 100, Zaino was 90+.



Day 7: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 95, Zaino = 90



Day 14: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 90, Zaino = 88



Day 21: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 80, Zaino = 86



Day 28: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 70, Zaino = 85



Day 35: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 60, Zaino = 84



Day 42: One hand wash done on each Vette and both compared again. Meg's = 45, Zaino = 83



At this point we both agreed that the Zaino provided an excellent shine and protection MUCH longer than the #26. This meant to us that your car could look excellent over a longer period of time with so much less effort. By the end of the second week the two products appeared to shine and protect about the same, but it was obvious that the Zaino would be superior in retaining its long term shine.



If we were going into a show and shine competition we both agreed that we would use #26 as the LSP.



We both use Zaino on all of our vehicles for the long-term ease and protection. Even though we feel that the Meg's products are easier to get good results with if you don't want to do the extra prep required by Zaino, we feel that Zaino is easier and better at protecting in the long run. If you do the initiial prep work properly, you only need to refresh the Z2 every other month to have an excellent shine all year round.
 
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