will a quick detailer scratch paint if dusty

Accumulator,



Once the oh-so-numerous rock chips became the main visible defect in my paint, I became a little less OCD about the little stuff (especially the stuff that only I can see).



And, I'm talking about reaaaally minor marring. I can usually only see it if the sun is low in the sky, and I look directly at the sun flare. Right next to the flare is where they usually become visible, and even then they really aren't deep or numerous. Of course, Dr. Science says that staring at the sun, even reflected in my paint, probably isn't too good for my eyes. And he has a degree. In science. :D



Tort
 
I too own a black car, and Ford's paint isn't the best.....so I have noticed that the CCD causes marring on my car. Now it's just stays dusty until I can wash it.
 
Accumulator said:
I can't seem to QD/CCD without causing SOME micromarring (or worse). I know other people do it without problems, but I try to be as careful/gentle as humanly possible and I STILL get marring. So rather than continuing trying to master the QD/CCD (at the risk of more paint damage), I just don't touch my vehicles unless they're wet with wash solution.



Just take a look at your paint under harsh lighting and magnification, you'll see if your marring it.
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Ditto here .. take a mar free black car and use the CCD or QD of the car is dusty .. better yet get the sun behind you on a cool day .. you will see the micro maring as it happens. This marring may not be visable on lighter cars ..



I am the same as Accumulator .. wet wash.
 
Accumulator said:
I can't seem to QD/CCD without causing SOME micromarring (or worse). I know other people do it without problems, but I try to be as careful/gentle as humanly possible and I STILL get marring. So rather than continuing trying to master the QD/CCD (at the risk of more paint damage), I just don't touch my vehicles unless they're wet with wash solution.



Just take a look at your paint under harsh lighting and magnification, you'll see if your marring it.
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Everything above this post 3/18 convinced me to get the CCD that night. Now this post 3/19 and others following suggest something else.



There is a lesson here someplace, Grasshoper. :confused:



Find the sales slip, Grasshopper, and Tao out on the Ten Thousand Things.:bounce
 
Well, I have used it on my black car, and I do have some marring in the paint. Can't really say if it is all the CCD though. It might have a lot to do with the kind of paint you have also. That European paint is supposed to be softer, so it would probably get marred easier.
 
My car is dark and scratches real easy, I get no marring from the CCD or by QDing CAREFULLY.



Like Scott asked, what is "dusty". Its definately a common sense deal. If you're going to CCD, then CCD REGULARLY, like every day so that the road dust doesn't build up. If the car has been driven more than a certain amount of miles and the dust is visible on the surface and not just down the side then *I* would not CCD/QD. Generally I CCD/QD about 5 times a week and wash once or twice. If the car has been rained on or come into contact with anything that I consider to be heavier dirt, I always wash.



I put the CCD in the same category as the CWB, its a love it or hate it product, mileage definately varies, and there's not much margin for error. If the margin for error bothers you then its not something you'll want to use.
 
He he, I love my CCD but hate the CWB, I think its a simple matter of trying them out for yourself and deciding from there
 
I'd have to say the key to success with the CCD, CWB, and QD, is being overly OCD!

Seriously though, I use all of the above all year long. The only time I've introduced swirls or scratches is by getting greedy. You have to use common sense and know when it's safe to CCD or QD, or when to wash.

I've tried a few times to QD when I should have washed, and the amount of contamination on the surface was too much and swirled. Needless to say, you learn your lesson and make better judgement calls. But at least on my paint, I can get through an entire season of QD'ing and CCD'ing without introducing any swirls, as long as it's done right. No micromarring, nothing...bring your giant halogens and microscopes and see.
 
FLAWLESS said:
You have to use common sense and know when it's safe to CCD or QD, or when to wash.
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Like Flawless says, you'll get the hang of when which technique is appropriate.



It's funny, I was thinking about this earlier today (what a dedicated Autopian I am :rolleyes: )



My personal thought on this is that if it's not a garage queen and it's been a few days since your last wash, go get your buckets and mitts 'cause it's time to wash. If it's your daily driver and/or it's parked outside, definitely wash.



Once you have a good technique, you can wash frequently without taking up a lot of time. Take a look at how the pro's do it . Scottwax isn't going to make much money if he's not efficient.



I frequently will QD after a wash to to catch any water spots, fingerprints, etc. I also QD after a (fresh) bird bomb hits or spruce up after dressing trim.
 
Bill D said:
He he, I love my CCD but hate the CWB, I think its a simple matter of trying them out for yourself and deciding from there
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I can understand how you might not like the CWB, but how could you still love the CCD?!? :nixweiss There's a very small chance of dragging grit across your paint (**after washing the car) with the CWB, but NO QUESTION that you will be doing so with the CCD (**on paint that hasn't been washed / ie still covered with some amount of grit).



I've used the CWB on my Silvia (light metallic) for a few years with great results, but refuse to use the CCD on it after the marring it caused on my old CRX SiR (black). Although black is more likely to be scratched (and show up), my experience has told me that "washing" without water is best avoided.



:cool:
 
Like anything else you must use your own judgement. It seems to me if you press down on the cwb too hard you could risk scratching not to mention if you accidently drop the hard plastic handle on the paint.



As for the CCD, I haven't gotten any marring yet and Ive been using them for about 9 years. I do not dust with it in overly dusty situations so perhaps that is part of why I have no marring. I use it for only miniscule amounts of dust. My hard black Audi clear may also be somewhat resistant to the marring others have reported :nixweiss I also barely touch the surface of the car when dusting, something *to me* you really can't do with the CWB without being ineffective.



These are just my experiences and insights. Of course, YMMV and to each his own :)
 
Bill D said:
Like anything else you must use your own judgement... These are just my experiences and insights. Of course, YMMV and to each his own :)
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Hear, hear. I don't see any reason for people to sweat it if a product/technique doesn't work for them but does work for someone else, or vice-versa. I'm not directing this at anyone on this thread, it's just a general comment...
 
Bill D said:
Like anything else you must use your own judgement. It seems to me if you press down on the cwb too hard you could risk scratching not to mention if you accidently drop the hard plastic handle on the paint.



As for the CCD, I haven't gotten any marring yet and Ive been using them for about 9 years. I do not dust with it in overly dusty situations so perhaps that is part of why I have no marring. I use it for only miniscule amounts of dust. My hard black Audi clear may also be somewhat resistant to the marring others have reported :nixweiss I also barely touch the surface of the car when dusting, something *to me* you really can't do with the CWB without being ineffective.



These are just my experiences and insights. Of course, YMMV and to each his own :)
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Thanks for the reply Bill! It would of course depend on a variety of conditions and variables; often those variables are ones that are present in some situations, but not others.



Percy
 
My jet black bimmer mars very, very easily. I can throw my hammer at my wifes silver audi and it wont even scratch.
 
My findings :



Don't QD/CCD more than 3 days after a full wash as ultra small rock pieces and contaminants build up. The CCD will move these ultra small contaminants causing a raking effect thus swirls.



On a warm/hot car the parrafin wax of the CCD will simulate swirls.



On a warm/hot car P21s/s100 will marr due to it's extreme softness. It does not get hard like other carnauba's. Maybe the beezwax in it.
 
rd_volvo said:
My findings :



Don't QD/CCD more than 3 days after a full wash as ultra small rock pieces and contaminants build up.
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Ultra small rock pieces? Like from a gravel road or bits of ashphalt? I haven't encountered these yet :nixweiss
 
Yep,



One example, if you live where it's cold you know that pot holes are abundant. Cars in front of you kick up the microscopic pieces from the holes/broken asphalt and thus settling on your paintwork. Run your finger lightly across the hood of your car and you'll see what i'm talking about.
 
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