To the Zaino Police...

This is a good thread for me to provide a gentle reminder that:



1. We (Autopia Leadership) do not sensor information;



2. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however, opinions must be tempered with respect and responsibility;



3. Personal attacks will not be tolerated; and



4. Attacks on my moderators in public will not be tolerated. If you have an issue, bring it to me in private. I stand by their actions 100%.



Now, we all know that tempers flare and our fingers often say things that might not be said face-to-face. We should keep this to a minimum, admit when we are wrong, and move on. I personally eat a lot of crow. It doesn’t taste so bad.



Also, when you say something that is designed to provoke or discredit a person or product, you have personal responsibility to your statement. Free speech exists to the point that my company (The Perfect Shine, LLC) does not get sued for a member’s ignorance of the law. Insinuation that a person or company is being fraudulent or making purposeful attacks on the character of a person or company is a good way to get in big trouble really fast. Don’t do it here… I won’t tolerate it.



Finally, maybe we should simply remember a golden rule: If you don’t have something nice (or at least constructive) to say, KEEP YOUR F-ING MOUTH SHUT (did I say that?)!
 
I think it's time for many people on here to grow up...and this is coming from a 22 yr. old. Leave the childishness for the car forums.
 
Newport- I know how it feels to have your feet stepped on by a moderator and feel that you've been treated unfairly. I also know what websites are like when they are moderated poorly. I have seen no evidence of poor moderating on Autopia. In fact, I see very little evidence of any moderating at all which is how it should be. You only see moderators moderating if they're doing a bad job or if members are causing trouble. I see very little of either here. I can't say who was at fault for what went on in the other thread because I wasn't a participant, but I knew it was trouble when I saw the title.



I help run one of these things (The Lexus Owners Club) and please remember that moderators have a side to the story too. This just shows how fair the moderators and David are that they will discuss this with you in an open thread, if you had done this (posting a moderator bashing thread in a main discussion forum after a moderator closed your thread) on my board you'd have earned yourself a 2 week suspension from the boards. This is just out of line, JMHO.
 
Hmmm...



I just read through the whole thread and have some other feelings. I'm seeing this as more of a 50/50 fault issue now.



I think it was right to lock it, but Lynn commited the ultimate moderator nono, she got her last shot in and then locked the thread so Newport couldn't defend himself. Not fair, not cool. A lot of times as a moderator you have to resist that urge. Everything in Lynn's post was fine except this line:



Newport Viper, you've pretty much worn out your welcome and used up any credibility you had, in the course of this thread.
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I can see no purpose for this line except as a final hit below the belt. If you're going to post a personal statement towards someone then you have to let them respond. I'd have just stayed away from this comment. He didn't even post in that thread much after the first page...



I would have just closed it and let David or someone else make the call as to what should be done with it.
 
I swear, how is separation an anti-Zaino thing? So what if it is oils? Both DetailKing and BlackRegal mentioned how we "all know how oils and polymers are"... Do we really? Is this some universal truth? Zaino can't have oils because it lasts long, and because we are all aware of that golden rule? That's not good reasoning. I'm certainly not saying Zaino doesn't last long. Maybe it lasts long in spite of what we "all know". Maybe that "common truth" is actually wrong... Or maybe it isn't oil.



Whatever, your experience with Zaino will not change one way or another no matter what that stuff is. If we suddenly found otu it was oil, would your coat of Zaino that had lasted the last 6 months suddenly fall off the car clutching its chest? If it is actually oils, then maybe other products that have oils shouldn't be so quickly dismissed for longevity. As I mentioned, UPP has several "oil" pictures and the "we all know oils means it can't last", yet people have used it and reported good durability. I know I get great durability from Blackfire no matter what "we all know".



Bottom line, the product works how it works. If Zaino lasts for 1 year on your car, then who gives a crap if it has carnauba wax or toe cheese in it. Knowing what's in it won't make it suddenly stop lasting. I don't understand why some people who love Zaino need to feel offended by any of this. :nixweiss



Again, I'm not suggesting that the discussion of oils/bonding/etc isn't interesting from a detached autopian perspective, and that there aren't some product I would never bother with based on the marketing, etc. Or that some probing of chemistry might not reveal better ways to apply/use products. But the bottom line is whatever it does when product meets paint is what it does. If it's working awesome for you, then who the heck cares whats in it, provided it isn't poisonous or gonna make your paint fall off or something (none of which oil is).
 
Redcar GUY said:
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So now the bike is going to bead for six months, right?



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GoodnClean said:
Hmmm...



I just read through the whole thread and have some other feelings. I'm seeing this as more of a 50/50 fault issue now.



I think it was right to lock it, but Lynn commited the ultimate moderator nono, she got her last shot in and then locked the thread so Newport couldn't defend himself. Not fair, not cool. A lot of times as a moderator you have to resist that urge. Everything in Lynn's post was fine except this line:







I can see no purpose for this line except as a final hit below the belt. If you're going to post a personal statement towards someone then you have to let them respond. I'd have just stayed away from this comment. He didn't even post in that thread much after the first page...



I would have just closed it and let David or someone else make the call as to what should be done with it.
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^^^ i completely agree.
 
Newport Viper,



I will be glad to send you some of my new Z2 along with the new Z5 as well. Just PM me, and I'll send it.



If you're so dedicated in obtaining the complete list of what's in Zaino that's all well and good. Once you've obtained this, please then post the results.



Honestly, we really don't care at this point as the thread has now turned. But submit the results if that's your goal.



I'm sure you will like the new formula. And if you don't, that's fine too. No harm in trying it.



We are curious as to what you are now using at this point.



Most of us are always willing to help/assist.



Regards,

Deanski
 
DavidB said:
Finally, maybe we should simply remember a golden rule: If you don’t have something nice (or at least constructive) to say, KEEP YOUR F-ING MOUTH SHUT (did I say that?)!
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The best point of all. And something I need to keep in mind myself. :o And I also agree about the crow thing. Tastes mighty good with peanut butter!! :D :D :lol



As for this whole Zaino debate...



I better not.



Bill.
 
Aurora40 said:




Bottom line, the product works how it works. If Zaino lasts for 1 year on your car, then who gives a crap if it has carnauba wax or toe cheese in it.
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Amen, brother!



In this world, it's results that count. If I apply a 'crappy' product, using the 'wrong' technique, on 'lousy' paint, and get great results - then where's the problem?
 
I definately agree that Newport came across as trying to down Zaino from the very beginning (you can tell that from the word choice. Not "Does Zaino have oil?" but "Is Zaino full of oils!?". People say you can't tell people's intentions on a BB but I disagree most of the time, word choice can be an obvious clue. You can see that in Lynn's post too, she was obviously more than a little bit miffed about Zaino being downed).



But the question remains, even if he was trying to down Zaino was it really worth helping that thread dive into what it became? It takes two sides to get into a pissing match like that and Newport cannot be totally to blame. I think thats what Corey was saying, he sees that shift in the attitudes people have for one another and I can sort of see it too ever since the NXT fiasco.



A wise man once said, at the end of the day it's jus' wax! :D
 
Fascinating litany of Newport bashings. Right down the last post, where Goodnclean misrepresented the original thread title (there was no exclamation point in the original, you inserted it there all by yourself Goodnclean).



Newports question was valid, and still is. The importance of the question and the answer is debatable of course.



No where in either thread do I see any instance of Newport bashing Zaino. To the contrary, he very clearly and explicity praises some of the company products. He just wanted to know if the stuff that looked and smelled like oil floating on the top was in fact really oil.



What did happen was a number of folks, including some of the moderators of this board, went nuts on him. Making things up, launching personal attacks at him (the most scathing and directly personal was from a moderator, Lynn).



Quite entertaining in a pitifully amusing sort of way. Sorta like watching little kids pick the wings off of flies.



I did notice one person didn't get into launching personal attacks, and that was Newport himself. He behaved himself, when many others, including moderaters, did not.
 
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