Those CRAZY Paste Wax Combos.......

[Accumulator]

Somebody (no, I'm not volunteering ) oughta try mixing up Collinite 476S with some beauty wax and see how it works out.





[QUOTEdanforz]..4-6 months from a nuba!? [/QUOTE]



I got Sept. 13 - May 27 out of 476S on the Blazer, including daily winter use and some trips through the touchless, and it was still slick/beading when I redid it. I did QD it after most washes though, and that probably provided a little extra sacrificial layer. If somebody could tweak the looks a little bit (not that it looks awful or anything) it could make for an interesting LSP.



tod071- I somehow suspect that Souveran wouldn't be the ticket for this mix though :think: I'd go with a "harder" wax, something whose looks are less dependent on its oil content...not sure what that'd be though :nixweiss



Plus, somebody else tried Souveran over 476S (without the spit-shining that I used) and reported that they didn't play well together. Not sure if that'd be relevant to a mix though...

 

[Alfisti]

Ok...here's my confession.



Last weekend I got bored, sooooooo...I decided to play 'mad scientist'.



Had a few bits and pieces, and some nearly full tubs/tins. The biggest tin (and contributor) was the Mothers pure carnauba, followed by Nattys. Also a small amount of #16 and a couple onces of TW Ultra Wax (or something - see below). I was going to include some wood polishing wax for laughs (made from pure waxes, including carnauba, beeswax, and several other natural waxes - no silicones or synthetics). A bit like S100 but much, much harder to remove. In fact, the hardest wax to remove since creation. :faint: Unfortunately, after adding everything else the tin was almost overflowing! So I had to forego this ingredient (for now!...mwuuuh hah haah!)



So the final secret formula, revealed here, for the first time, is:



Mothers pure Carnauba Wax: about 10oz (similar look and durability to S100 with a bit less gloss. Removes like #16)



Nattys regular: about 6oz (no comment needed)



TW Ultra Wax: about 2oz. This one is an interesting one. No its not Platinum Ultra Gloss...its Ultra Wax (or similar name), came out early 90's, clear solventy liquid like 1Z Glanz Wax. Came in a blue round plastic bottle. I used it for its petroleum distillate content (about 95%) not its wax properties. I added this to the Mothers Carnauba tin about 6 months ago as it was quite old and had lost some of its PD. It really helped it...spread very easily and came of better...probably because it went on thinner as a result. I don't have a pic of it as I finished it off and threw out the bottle some time ago.



#16: about 2oz. Again, I wanted to add more but tin too full. Next time.



So, here are some early pics.





Some of the donors who sacrificed their lives to create something new. :brit (Ok I'm Australian...it's the closest thing I could find!)

The meltdown begins!

The final formula before cooling.

Behold! A new creation!

I applied it at night to mums car. It went on like butter and very thin...not S100 butter, but easier and more fluid than either of its parent waxes...must be the extra solvents I added previously. It came of very easily...even where it had not fully dried. Some grabbiness but less than its parent waxes.



Here's the wax applied. You can see the tin and applicator on the right. BTW, it didn't stain the trim.

Unfortunately, the 'after' night shots didn't come out well, so I'll have to get you some day shots soon. At any rate, THIS WAS FUN!!!!!!!! :bigups

 

[qballjr13]

Now on a tin or bottle of wax it always says store between certain temperatures. So would heating the waxes to their melting bowls breakdown the waxes properties at all?

 

[Alfisti]

I wouldn't think so...that's how they initially make it.



The storage advice is more to do with the effect of temperature on the solvents. Too high and it may evaporate, leaving you a brick to work with, or too low causing it to separate out from the wax.

 

[pootoo12000]

OK, here's mine...a few years back, maybe more than a few, I bought a gallon of a DriWashnGard knockoff. Used it once, quickly found out why these boards frown upon it. It was, however, the fastest, easiest and most thorough chemical paint cleaner I have used. It said it contained carnauba. Couldn't have contained much, "cause it beaded for about 3 days. Used it periodically to clean already-washed paint, but mainly it sat on the shelf. A few months back I was bored and wondered if I could do something to increase its durability. Looked at a bottle of 845. Mixed up 3 parts driWash to 1 part 845. It mixed very well. Tried it on my white van. Looked fantastic. Spotlessly clean paint and the unmistakable beading of Collinite! That was several months ago. Still shines, still beads! I went ahead and mixed up a full quart in a chemically-risistant spray bottle! It is now my go-to for the van. Why didn't I think of it before?

 

[qballjr13]

I wouldn't think so...that's how they initially make it.



The storage advice is more to do with the effect of temperature on the solvents. Too high and it may evaporate, leaving you a brick to work with, or too low causing it to separate out from the wax.

Alright, I guess that makes some sense.

 

[Cooter]

I was searching through autopia one night at work and ran across the thread about melting the paste waxes down and mixing them. So, I got up one day and mixed up some 5050, Souveran and #16. The wax turned out a lime green color and smelled like Souvie. It went on great and came off like Souveran but it didnt have the depth of Souveran IMO. As for the durability, no idea. I wax to often. Sowwie. I did like the wax though.

 

[tod071]

Somebody (no, I'm not volunteering ) oughta try mixing up Collinite 476S with some beauty wax and see how it works out.



tod071- I somehow suspect that Souveran wouldn't be the ticket for this mix though :think: I'd go with a "harder" wax, something whose looks are less dependent on its oil content...not sure what that'd be though :nixweiss



Plus, somebody else tried Souveran over 476S (without the spit-shining that I used) and reported that they didn't play well together. Not sure if that'd be relevant to a mix though...

Wouldn't that eliminate almost all beauty waxes? I wouldn't mind mixing up a concoction of 476 w/ a beauty wax, but question is, which one? Zymol Titanium? Petes 53?



What about a liquid concoction, like Liquid Souveran & Collinite 845? How would you mix this?

 

[eyesack]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl



Only thing I dont have is a proper container for the mix: something that can fit a 4" foam pad,

or something I can pop out of the container to apply to a pad for a DA.

lol u also don't have a hazmat liscense. you need one of them; i work as a sales rep for a detailing chemical manufacturer.

 

[usdm]

I don't think a Paste and a Liquid would combine. Almost like Oil in Water....

Actually, I think such a combo could work. I'm thinking you would only

need a lil of the liquid added to the meltedd wax, and then let it all

harden. The liquid wax solvent could help make application easier



Now, in order to really pul this off might require researching the MSDS

of the waxes in question. But I am thinking something like 1 part 845

to 2 parts 476 could make for a nicer looking wax that has a bit more

easier application since the 845 solvents will make the wax a lil softer.



Of course this is all academic till I get to mixin'

 

[usdm]

lol u also don't have a hazmat liscense. you need one of them; i work as a sales rep for a detailing chemical manufacturer.

A sales rep for a detailing chemical manufacturer?



Man you just killed my self-induced high.



I bet when you were younger, you were one of those guys that

couldn't get chicks so you ran interference on everyone getting

chicks (wait, i think that was me :wall )..........................

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Anyway, my point is lighten up. Heck you aint never did anyting

interesting? Oh, my bad, you probably did, but then you guys have

a hazmat license dont you?

 

[Accumulator]

Wouldn't [no heavy-on-oils] eliminate almost all beauty waxes? I wouldn't mind mixing up a concoction of 476 w/ a beauty wax, but question is, which one? Zymol Titanium? Petes 53?



What about a liquid concoction, like Liquid Souveran & Collinite 845? How would you mix this?

I really dunno from beauty waxes other than Souveran ( :xyxthumbs )and P21S (yuck). I figure that some of the waxes people prefer over #16 and 476S must qualify, but I don't know enough about them to comment. People in the Jag club use the reasonably-priced Zymols, and IMO they're nothing special, so I wouldn't bother mixing them with anything myself.



For liquids, I wonder how Collinite's 845 IW and Malm's liquid would work :think: Those are the only liquids I have any real experience with. But again, I dunno if it'd be any better than just straight 845. Maybe a little more richness/depth :nixweiss



I just don't try enough LSPs to know what to mix up...



Alfisti- Does the look beat the parents on their own? Sounds like the application was a little better..

 

[eyesack]

A sales rep for a detailing chemical manufacturer?



Man you just killed my self-induced high.



I bet when you were younger, you were one of those guys that

couldn't get chicks so you ran interference on everyone getting

chicks (wait, i think that was me :wall )..........................

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Anyway, my point is lighten up. Heck you aint never did anyting

interesting? Oh, my bad, you probably did, but then you guys have

a hazmat license dont you?

lol sorry i didn't mean for that comment to be negative... i think it's really cool what you guys are doing and i think i'm gonna try myself to do some mixing (no I don't have a liscence) but i'm just saying to be careful! u don't wanna see ur house goin up in flames cuz the melting point of the wax could be higher than the combustion point of a solvent or something like that! i thought yall were actually gonna make wheel acids or good 'ol gas-based tire shine n stuff. carry on, gentlemen! and i've done plenty interesting stuff in my life... but that's another story.

 

[usdm]

lol sorry i didn't mean for that comment to be negative... i think it's really cool what you guys are doing and i think i'm gonna try myself to do some mixing (no I don't have a liscence) but i'm just saying to be careful! u don't wanna see ur house goin up in flames cuz the melting point of the wax could be higher than the combustion point of a solvent or something like that! i thought yall were actually gonna make wheel acids or good 'ol gas-based tire shine n stuff. carry on, gentlemen! and i've done plenty interesting stuff in my life... but that's another story.

I hear ya man. On a serious note, I do understand the risk involved, which is why I am

gooing to do the mixing outsided, using a large pot filled with hot water, and place a

smaller pot with the wax chunks in the bigger one.



As I am on the subject again about wax mixing, had anyone tried 845 with CMW? Opinions?

 

[Eliot Ness]

Here is the original thread from eShine that started most of the wax melting around here:



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/49008-new-p16s-carnauba.html



Here is a test he did about the melting/flash point of Carnauba waxes:



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/49161-will-melting-carnaubas-blow-you-up.html



If you're looking for a container for a hard wax combo, and you're only making a small batch, you can use a cheap (Dollar Store) deodorant stick (makes it easy to apply to pads):



http://autopia.org/forum/detailing-product-discussion/82195-collinite-speed-stick-wax.html



Happy melting/mixing guys!

 

[eShine]

Just a quick tip for you wax melters, let it cool slowly. Don't put it in the fridge like I first did. I find that the fridge creates a layer of condensation on the top (Which can easily be removed after it dries). I also found it you let it cool at room temperature there will be no surface cracking and less shrinking. I can't help but notice it basically acts just like a freshly baked Cheesecake! LOL. Keep it at as low of a temperature as possible while still keeping them melted, when they are mixed together keep them under the heat for at least 10 minutes and stir often. I found that if you simply melt them together then start the cooling process the waxes dry inconsistent and you can visually see some parts are darker than others meaning it has not blended well. Candle makers actually recommend 30min of heat when making candles to distribute the ingredients evenly, they share the same basic concept, I personally don’t like 30min because I find too much evaporation occurs. Finally (Really) don’t cover the wax as it is cooling, this will create water inside the lid and ruin the blend.

 

[RCBuddha]

My original mix of N100 (Nattys+S100) was nothing to write home about. I had two jars originally, and gave them away to members. To date, I have no idea if they ever got to test it out.



However, I wonder how 16 + 476 would fair....anyone care to be the guinea pig?