System One Polishing Video: Am I crazy

The video was simply to illustrate an advantage that S1 has. Albeit, in some of your eyes, not important to you. I don't think that is a reason to bash them though. If some of the keyboard buffers here actually gave this product a chance as Toto and I and several others on this and other forums have you would see that this is one of the most versatile polishes out there. This video was just showing one of these versatilities (<-- is that a word?).
 
danponjican said:
The video was simply to illustrate an advantage that S1 has. Albeit, in some of your eyes, not important to you. I don't think that is a reason to bash them though. If some of the keyboard buffers here actually gave this product a chance as Toto and I and several others on this and other forums have you would see that this is one of the most versatile polishes out there. This video was just showing one of these versatilities (<-- is that a word?).
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I am with you... seems like this product gets trashed every few months from the same people!:grrr I have used it, worked great on an oxidized SUV, which I did in the sun. If you are looking for a one step product... which A LOT of people call us for, then this is a great product. It might not be for everyone, but then again we find that we have a large amount of customers requesting an even larger amount of different products. There is a product for everyone, if its not for you then don't use it... seems simple to me.:2thumbs:
 
Yes to both questions.



Come on guys...we all know it takes longer than two minutes to get black perfect (or near perfect). I think you're missing the point of the video, which is to show that the polish does not gum up or give you other problems on hot paint in direct sun.



My guess is that other high-end polishes would yield similar results with similar amounts of time invested and using similar technique on this soft paint. This guy could use some more experience, no doubt. He should have slowed the buffer down for the final pass and maybe even went to a PC to get it better. Of course, it depends on your customers expectations...this would be fine for a hockey mom and spending additonal time bringing it close to 100% would just be a waste. Some people wouldn't know a hologram if it bit them.



Polishing in the sun has its advantages, as you can continuosly check your work as you go. Not all of us have shops and halogen inspection lights.



This guy was 'in the raw', if you will. He didn't get a chance to check his work and go back and make corrections (don't we all have to do that on black and other dark finishes?). Maybe he's ignorant (or dumb) for not doing that, but it doesn't mean that the product's not capable or that he's not capable. Of course it doesn't necessarily mean that he or the product are capable! I don't rely on videos or pictures to convince me of anything other than to try a product.



If this guy was detailing my car, I would expect better final results. I am pretty picky. I also think he was pretty stupid for posting that video without inspecting the panel and trying to make it better. He left himself (and the product) wide open for attack...and he got nailed. So, I don't feel very sorry for him. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.



Lastly, I do think that a lot of you are on the offensive here...just like Meghan said. I bet if one of your buddies posted this video, you might have said "Hey pal, great video, but I noticed some holograms near the top of your work area. Did you miss a spot? Were you planning to make another pass or use a PC? Maybe your pad wasn't clean?". I've seen some questionable "after" shots posted on this forum or distant shots that show the shady side of a black vehicle (yet the before shots were closeups in the sun) and yet nobody makes any negative comments...not that it would be appropriate to do so, but I think everyone should get the same treatment here, regardless of your tenure, opinions or what products you use.
 
danponjican said:
The video was simply to illustrate an advantage that S1 has. Albeit, in some of your eyes, not important to you. I don't think that is a reason to bash them though. If some of the keyboard buffers here actually gave this product a chance as Toto and I and several others on this and other forums have you would see that this is one of the most versatile polishes out there. This video was just showing one of these versatilities (<-- is that a word?).
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So you would rate the system one method better then using something like PG/SIP/085?
 
flaco said:
Yes to both questions.



Come on guys...we all know it takes longer than two minutes to get black perfect (or near perfect). I think you're missing the point of the video, which is to show that the polish does not gum up or give you other problems on hot paint in direct sun.
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Yes but if the product was not worked long enough then how do we know what the product is going to do in the hot sun if worked properly?
 
gmblack3a said:
Yes but if the product was not worked long enough then how do we know what the product is going to do in the hot sun if worked properly?
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You don't...I'm just trying to play middle ground here and state that the final results are not definitive based on this video. This video doesn't convince me that System One will finish out hologram-free in the sun, but it does not convince me that it can't, either.



The video shows that the product is usable in the sun on hot paint on direct sunlight and definitely removes the oxidation that was there (Am I the only one that noticed that?) but certainly leaves in question its ability to finish out hologram-free.
 
BTW, here's the same guy, same car, etc., but no holograms. Did he do a better job here? Not necessarily, it's just that the sun and camera angle are not at a point where they would reveal any problems.



YouTube - Black Integra meets SYSTEM ONE Polish and a Rotary Polisher



Again, the angle of the camera and sun are critical. I would like to see more 'after' pix on this forum under the most critical of conditions and see how they look. The shady side of a vehicle will never reveal minor swirls and holograms.



Here's another, this time with an RO (if you can get through all the 'ums', LOL). No swirls or holograms. Why? It's not shot at an angle that would reveal them. Excellent cut and polish (compare it to the rest of the quarter panel which is oxidized) but who knows if it's all swirled up.



YouTube - How to polish using an RO with SYSTEM ONE Polish



Angle is key and can make your work look very different.
 
gmblack3a said:
So you would rate the system one method better then using something like PG/SIP/085?
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Each has its benefits and advantages. I wouldn't (and no one should) make a claim about any product that is a broad generalization. Depends on the application, requirements, paint condition, hardness, environment, etc. (you get the picture.) Does X3 work better for me in certain situations as compared to the three separate products your listed? Absolutely. I personally LOVE X3 with a polishing pad. Even when I am not using it with a wool pad for cutting, I often reach for it with a polishing pad. Other times, I love using SIP/106ff. There are too many variables in the processes to make a claim that one product is better than another. A great detailer has an extensive arsenal of experience with a broad range of products and tools to where he can get great results in a wide variety of applications.



SYSTEM ONE X3 to me is a winner in many cases.



Flashtime said:
For those using the X3, how does it compare to the original?

Does it cut (1500 grit) and finish better?
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I haven't used the old version, but the latest formula can cut very aggressive sand scratches if worked properly. With a fine foam pad (90ppi, 100ppi +) it almost always finishes down perfectly if I work it properly (usually ramping buffer speeds down and reducing pressure on final passes).
 
danponjican said:
Each has its benefits and advantages. I wouldn't (and no one should) make a claim about any product that is a broad generalization. Depends on the application, requirements, paint condition, hardness, environment, etc. (you get the picture.) Does X3 work better for me in certain situations as compared to the three separate products your listed? Absolutely. I personally LOVE X3 with a polishing pad. Even when I am not using it with a wool pad for cutting, I often reach for it with a polishing pad. Other times, I love using SIP/106ff. There are too many variables in the processes to make a claim that one product is better than another. A great detailer has an extensive arsenal of experience with a broad range of products and tools to where he can get great results in a wide variety of applications.



SYSTEM ONE X3 to me is a winner in many cases.
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Very nice post. Since you are more experienced then I am with X3, in general woud you say that X3 with a wool pad provides more cut then a dedicated compound (3M EC for example) and the same pad?



I have found the cut of X3 to be "mild" at best and while it will remove 1500 grit scratches, it takes a LOT of passes (on typical OEM paint).







I haven't used the old version, but the latest formula can cut very aggressive sand scratches if worked properly. With a fine foam pad (90ppi, 100ppi +) it almost always finishes down perfectly if I work it properly (usually ramping buffer speeds down and reducing pressure on final passes).
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I will try that by changing speeds. A non diminishing abrasive would seem to "not care" as much about how it is worked since the rate of fracture doesn't need to be manipulated.



Do you get a lot of dusting with the product?



I have seen some of the cars as well as others that where claimed to be finished by X3, and everyone I saw looked rather poor by my judgement, with faint hologramming and marring. I would really like to see this product worked correctly.
 
I have found the cut of X3 to be "mild" at best and while it will remove 1500 grit scratches, it takes a LOT of passes (on typical OEM paint).
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That was true for the original version as well. And 1500 grit is fairly standard

for most production shops which the X3 is marketed towards. Still, for quick

denib and polish the original version was good enough. And for someone just

looking to "refresh" an older vehicle (one time deal), it's a fine product.

And those "minor" swirls in the video's would probably acceptable for most

fast paced production shops. 2 cents...
 
flaco said:
I've seen some questionable "after" shots posted on this forum or distant shots that show the shady side of a black vehicle (yet the before shots were closeups in the sun) and yet nobody makes any negative comments...
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I see this a lot. But its usually followed up with a "sorry, sun was going down so I couldn't do after shots in the sun". :laugh:



Its supsect. At least to me.
 
TH0001 said:
Very nice post. Since you are more experienced then I am with X3, in general woud you say that X3 with a wool pad provides more cut then a dedicated compound (3M EC for example) and the same pad?



I have found the cut of X3 to be "mild" at best and while it will remove 1500 grit scratches, it takes a LOT of passes (on typical OEM paint).



Do you get a lot of dusting with the product?



I have seen some of the cars as well as others that where claimed to be finished by X3, and everyone I saw looked rather poor by my judgement, with faint hologramming and marring. I would really like to see this product worked correctly.
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I'll chime in with that Todd:



For pure cutting ability, Extra Cut with a wool or foam cutting pad is probably THE most powerfult combo out there...bar none. But, EC is going away because of V.O.C. non-compliance. In fact the BMW dealer here is using X3 as a light compound and has ordered the older yellow 3M compound (don't have the product number handy).



I'm doing the BMW dealer's son's 97 metallic blue 530i. I'm using System One because the paint is a little old and has been compounded heavily in it's 13 year life. If I can get the son (who is a great photographer and videographer) to get some video, that would be super. We have the lighting and shop space so I'd try to capture a start-to-finish application on a body panel.



Yep, lots of dusting with X3. Again, the difference is that X3 dust can easily be blown away with compressed air or a quick wipe of ONR. Extra Cut dust (and the attendant granules) can quicly re-introduce scratches unless it is power washed completely.



Toto
 
Totoland Mach said:
I'll chime in with that Todd:



For pure cutting ability, Extra Cut with a wool or foam cutting pad is probably THE most powerfult combo out there...bar none. But, EC is going away because of V.O.C. non-compliance. In fact the BMW dealer here is using X3 as a light compound and has ordered the older yellow 3M compound (don't have the product number handy).



I'm doing the BMW dealer's son's 97 metallic blue 530i. I'm using System One because the paint is a little old and has been compounded heavily in it's 13 year life. If I can get the son (who is a great photographer and videographer) to get some video, that would be super. We have the lighting and shop space so I'd try to capture a start-to-finish application on a body panel.



Yep, lots of dusting with X3. Again, the difference is that X3 dust can easily be blown away with compressed air or a quick wipe of ONR. Extra Cut dust (and the attendant granules) can quicly re-introduce scratches unless it is power washed completely.



Toto
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Which 3M Extra Cut? The PIII or the 3000 Series?

Thanks
 
rydawg said:
Which 3M Extra Cut? The PIII or the 3000 Series?

Thanks
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Rydawg: ya stumped me! I never even look at the bottle, but I'll find out tomorrow. All I know is: it's gritty as beach sand and stinks to high heaven...does that help LOL?



Toto
 
TH0001 said:
Very nice post. Since you are more experienced then I am with X3, in general woud you say that X3 with a wool pad provides more cut then a dedicated compound (3M EC for example) and the same pad?



I have found the cut of X3 to be "mild" at best and while it will remove 1500 grit scratches, it takes a LOT of passes (on typical OEM paint).



I will try that by changing speeds. A non diminishing abrasive would seem to "not care" as much about how it is worked since the rate of fracture doesn't need to be manipulated.



Do you get a lot of dusting with the product?



I have seen some of the cars as well as others that where claimed to be finished by X3, and everyone I saw looked rather poor by my judgement, with faint hologramming and marring. I would really like to see this product worked correctly.
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It's certainly not the heaviest cut out there by any stretch. I don't think it was meant to be either though. I think versatility is the target characteristic. I can think of other heavy compounds that will literally strip paint off like a sand blaster with a lambs wool pad. I think M105 cuts a bit heavier, but 105 wouldn't finish as nice with a finishing pad (maybe if you jewled it... sorry Todd, I had to. LOL, please forgive me).



I think that with this kind of product it is designed to be a "fishing with a net" type product, you will find specific products that do one thing better than it. But I really think you would have a hard time finding one product that does it all as well as this one. I think the target with SYSTEM ONE X3 is to simplify things. If that is something you are looking for then S1 is for you.



Dusting... yes a bit. It seems like all these new nano polishes that are not diminishing abrasive dust a good bit. But like Toto said, it is really easy to clean up (even with a shot of water from a hose works). I personally always do a wash after polishing so that takes care of it.
 
evo77 said:
I see this a lot. But its usually followed up with a "sorry, sun was going down so I couldn't do after shots in the sun". :laugh:



Its supsect. At least to me.
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It's suspect to me that someone who has never posted any of their work in a C&B would judge. :nono
 
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