regarding speeding and getting pegged

last week i got a speeding ticket in the the higway ,the cop was in front of me by 50 feet or more and he pulled me over and told me that he clocked me with his back radar while he was driving on the higway in front of me ....is that possible ?.

anyway it's time for a home traffic school .:(



but the question is do highway patrol have back radar and can clock with it whil they are driving ...
 
no1000 said:
last week i got a speeding ticket in the the higway ,the cop was in front of me by 50 feet or more and he pulled me over and told me that he clocked me with his back radar while he was driving on the higway in front of me ....is that possible ?.

anyway it's time for a home traffic school .:(



but the question is do highway patrol have back radar and can clock with it whil they are driving ...
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It is possible for some of the police to have radars like that. Most of them only have it setup for vehicles coming towards them with the front radar and the back radar for moving away from them.
 
FYI..law enforcement does have radar units that are mounted in the front and the back of the vehicles. It is also possible that he was clocking you with his speedometer which is calibrated.
 
I agree with Azn - I've got the V1 and have never been stopped once since I bought it. I've continually been amazed with its laser sensitivity -- last year, I was driving up to the Chicago auto show in my 528i and the detector alerted me to no less than 5 laser attempts; always had enough time to slow from 80 to 65 without any problems...



Love the V1 - it's worth its weight in gold.
 
Well, I've been pulled over twice for speeding. Both warnings. By the same really nice guy, no less.



Since then, I've got a Bel 985 in the car. Love it. I'd like to add a laser jammer (either Bel or Escort), even though I don't think we have laser cops here (if we do, it's only a few). Maybe a scanner, too...? (no, not just for that, it's an interest of mine, as well.)
 
Scottwax said:
Why? Because nearly everyone speeds and if you set up on a road with an artificially low speed limit, it's like shooting fish in a barrel. It's all about revenue. They can catch more speeders in an hour than red light runners...plus, it is probably safer for the cops since they don't have to navigate dangerous intersections to catch violators. Most cities have large budgets and they can't raise taxes too much without risking being voted out, so they find other ways to get the money, like through traffic fines.
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I don't know about where you are, but here in PA, speeds limits are set up by population, number of interchanges and houses along a roadway or highway and by engineering studies ( critical speed calculations based on roadway design ) by the department of transportation. Only the very small streets (residential) speed limits can be set by the towns or boroughs or cities, NOT by the police department. The towns government has to approve the speed-limits and citizens can come to the meetings and address the council people with their opinions. Then it has to be posted according to state law. ( # of signs so many feet apart...lalala...)

Since there will always be people who can't obey the law...lol... there will always be speeders being caught.

I am usually leinient when it comes to citations, as long as the driver is not a cocky little punk who knows less then I forgot, or a general jerk, a warning is usually what I issue... when it comes time for a court hearing, just tell the judge you were speeding at the time and you are just asking for lienincy in the courts decision. I have never seen points assigned to anyones license when they did that.

Speeders do kill. (Yes, we all need to clean out the cob webs everyonce in a while...I know...) I have seen a DUI male kill his wife in a speed related crash. She was removed from the passenger side, put in a bag and hauled off and he was still arguing that she was the one driving. Her shoes were pinned in the passenger floor boards. He is in prison.

Also, a bf/gf were zipping down a 35mph roadway in a new VW bug at about 70mph, when he lost control and put the car roof first into and oak tree. He impacted his head and spine so hard that his calves ruptured and exploded his levis from the knees down. G/f's brains were all over the roof of the car.

I think there is a real need for people to stay in contol of their vehicles. I'd rather wirte a ticket then spend four hours scraping someone off the ground.



Boy, sorry that was so long.....:p
 
JustinTRW said:
I'm still not sure how having a better laser jammer would not have helped in your situation. If you saw him, you should have tried to slow down and once he had the first reading on you (which was jammed), it might have given you time to slow down to a more reasonable speed before you tried again. In California, 115 is "arrest me" territory. Explain that to me again, I obviously don't get it.
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A better jammer wouldn't have helped me. That was my point. It was 2 am and I was racing something I shouldn't have been racing. Its a long story. Yes, 115 is "arrest me" speeds here too. The reason I didn't slow down is because he waited till he could see the whites of my eyes before he zapped me. My laser detector went off and there he was. There wasn't anything I could have done about it. It was a stupid thing to have been doing and I don't suggest it. It wasn't really racing. It was more like just me trying to keep up with a car that was being nice enough to drive slowly so I could stay side by side with him. He sure hit the gas when we saw that cop though. I took the hit. I doubt anyone even caught him. Oh well. I guess that's what happens when you lose.:nixweiss
 
I don't want to keep dragging the thread on painfully, but are you confusing jammers and detectors? You said the same thing twice without answering my inquiry. If he can see you and zaps you with his laser, a jammer will prevent him from getting a reading. Therefore, he has no proof of how quickly you were going. By the time he resets his gun to zap you again, you would have already slowed down (possibly). I don't know what the laws are on cars "that look like they are really moving quickly". Yes, even the best laser detector would have done little other than letting you know that you are about to receive a ticket. Just trying to see what your story is before I spend money on a jammer myself...
 
I had both a radar/laser detector and a radar/laser jammer in the car. They were two sepeate units. The jammer doesn't notify me of anything. It just sits there and jams. The detector didn't go off till I was right in front of the cop. I was probably less than 1/4 mile from him. At 115 the space gets closed rapidly. Slowing down wouldn't have done anything. I didn't get warned in time to slow down. He didn't zap me till I was right in front of him. Jammers are only effective at a range of about a mile. If they can see you then its probably too late for your jammer to do any good. The jammer wasn't going to help me at that range anyway. I sold it right after that because I just didn't see the use in it.



I wouldn't recommend that anyone wastes money on a jammer. I would reommend that they go slower and be aware of where it is safe to go faster. If a jammer is going to help you then its something that a good laser detector should help you with. The detectors usually reach further than jammers do anyway. I'd rather get a better detector that alerts me sooner than waste money on something that isn't going to help.



Those jammers that say they will pay your ticket for you are a crock too. They only pay the ticket if you are going less than a certian number of mph over the speed limit anyway. If you are going too fast then you are hosed. If you are going 90 in a 35 then they aren't going to pay the ticket because a blind man could have told you that you were speeding. I'm always going 15-20 mph over the limit it seems and I doubt they would pay tickets like that. They are way restrictive on what they pay. They are just a waste IMO.
 
Before I say anything more, I agree...no amount of electronics gives you permission to speed.



Now you have answered my questions. but some of your information is flawed. Which jammer unit did you have? Perhaps your opinion on jammers has been scewed by an inferior unit. By your ticket rebate comment, it sounds like you had a Rocky Mountain unit. Hate to burst your bubble, but they are among the WORST units available....and still are.



Your exact description of your experience shows that a good jammer/detector combo could have helped you, but it may not justify the purchase of them. New systems warn AND jam the signal as close as 100 ft. You say one mile, which is 5280 feet. I think we have a little difference in opinion there. If units needed an entire mile, no one would buy them. On your favorite driving road, how often do you see a mile of straight road for an officer to set up? I also heavily disagree that a detector can replace a jammer. The detector will simply tell you that the officer has gotten a reading on you. At that point, it doesn't matter if you slow down or not, at any distance. Bottom line: if a newer unit had jammed the signal, perhaps you wouldn't have gotten a ticket :)
 
Welp, I'm going pro-jammer here. With a few specifications, of course.



First off: you said that you had a "radar/laser jammer." Anything that claims to jam radar is, like the other guy said, virtually useless in that it's completely passive. And if it's not (although most are), then it's illegal. Correct me on this if I'm wrong, but FCC guidelines specify that it is very illegal - a federal crime - to interfere with traffic enforcement devices under its jurisdiction; namely, police radar. So, anything that actively affects a police unit (and that would be an active jammer, which is the minority and is still largely crap) like that is not really something you want.



About the laser jammers: Maybe you would have had a shot. Who knows? Depends on the lidar unit, the detector, the angle between his gun and the targeted spot on your vehicle (the cosine effect applies to lidar, right...?), all sorts of stuff. True, at that close, you more than likely would have been pulled over anyway since it's awfully close to jam as well as detect (which it should do anyway). But it is true that some laser detectors are gonna be much, much more effective than others. It's like debating over which would save you from more lidar tickets: the Bel/Escort or a K40 or Rocky Mountain unit. Of course, Rocky Mountain is a bunch of crap. Pure, 100% crap. Useless. I'm almost amazed they're still producing. K40 is not much better.
 
Much as I LOVE my V1, there have been times when it was nothing more than early warning that I'd been cited. If you get laser-ed/instant-on-ed without someone ahead of you getting pegged first, you're toast. Last laser ticket, the LEO complimented me on my reaction time, but wrote me up anyhow (he did fudge it down to a mail-in level violation and told me I was clear until mile marker so-and-so!).



I usually do OK with most LEO's. The last time I got zapped happened out of state the Wednesday before last Thanksgiving. Got me fair and square, but didn't even pull me over. Just pulled up behind me as I eased back towards the limit (I was WAY over, but driving OK for conditions and had just passed a slow-moving MENACE the LEO might have noticed), then pulled beside me, checked me and my wife and the car out. I waved (NOT like a smart aleck, tried to look "professional"), he nodded, he sped up, no ticket. Lucky me, it would've been an expensive one.



As per jammers, I've decided NOT to run one. Having a detector is one thing, and if I have the scanner I'll have to explain that. I don't want to explain why I have an ACTIVE countermeasure in operation. Think he/she'll just let you whiz by because the laser won't lock on? And even without the laser readout, couldn't they get you on a "visual"? Your word against a "professional opinion" in court? Doable, but I wouldn't want to, especially out of state.
 
Agreed.



To the officer on here that stated he was lenient: YOU HAVE A PM lol =)



Anyway, what you were saying: well, yeah, but that all depends on whether or not you want to take your chances talking to the LEO or just trying to not get caught. I like your take on it, too. For some reason, I never even thought of that. Good thinking, though... I mean, yeah, getting pulled over by an understanding LEO is better than jamming him. And about the radar jammer: I would never, ever use one. I'd consider laser jamming, but I wouldn't touch radar jammers. Not me.



Anyway, yup, radar still obeys the laws of physics. I'm sure that people with the V1, Bel 985, or Escort 8500 have all been pulled over even with the radar running because of that...
 
I have to agree with mzgloves....

Mopping up after a MVA with 17 year olds that think they are race car drivers gets old. Stay in control of your car. Don't be stupid.

Sorry if I sound like an old poop, but working on cutting a car away from a human body is not something I enjoy doing.
 
Yup. That pic explains why even though I tend to be a little speed demon, I set pretty conservative limits on myself (even as an 18-year old) as far as what I think I can and can't do, i.e., 120 mph corners and whatnot. And I just don't try stupid sh1t. :)
 
No Bunker, I think your post was a very good one, especially to young people like myself. I see teeagers, young people, and some more experienced drivers doing dangerous things every day. That's why I'd like to bring up the following question: when is it safe to speed? The answer is probably never. Then again, going the speed limit has risks.



Most of my driving is done with the V1 muted because I simply do not speed. Why did I buy a V1? Canyon driving is one of my favorite things to do on the weekend. If I see another car ahead or behind, I slow back down. My justification is that I am only doing harm to myself by driving the twisty road. The reality? I have no idea if another car is coming around one the next bends and I could be putting someone else's life in danger if I have an error (and even if I don't, I could make them nervous). Knowing that now, from time to time I still will drive a seemingly deserted road pretty quickly. With modern vehicles, we are going faster and faster each year. I keep the car slow enough to where my comfort zone is well in check and the cars limits are not being explored. Even so, it's still speeding.



Solution? More track days, more closed area driving events. It can be expensive, but it's the only way to take your vehicle to the limit and satisfy that "itch" we have. I'm talking about driving for pleasure in this post, not because you are late for court!
 
Hmm... I have to partially disagree.



I think that speeding can be perfectly safe. Let's take a road with just a little traffic as an example.



The speed limit is 70. You're doing 80. Are you being blatantly unsafe? Not really.



You start to tailgate the person in front of you since you're moving faster than him. Are you being blatantly unsafe? Not really, but you're getting there.



You get right on this poor guy's bumper. Now you're being unsafe.



While passing him, you cut it a little close because of oncoming traffic, making pretty sharp movements. That's unsafe, as well.



(etc.)



Speed in itself (up to a point, to be sure) is not inherently "bad." However, when speeding begins to incur things that ARE unsafe (like what I just described), then you've got a problem.



Back to our road. You're doing 80 or whatever. You approach the guy in front of you, and you back down to leave an appreciable, appropriate distance between you and him. Seeing oncoming traffic, you stay there. You find a nice, big clear spot after the immediately oncoming cars pass. You pass the guy in front of you, leaving plenty of space between yourself and the front of his car in the process as you come back to the right lane. And your speed is back up there. Are you speeding? Yup. Are you being really unsafe about it? Not really. You have not, for all intents and purposes, jeopardized the safety of others around you.



You know, stuff like that. As always, I'd welcome any argument or support.
 
Yes, 80 mph on the freeway is nothing to be ashamed about. On the I-5, the fast lane sometimes will move at 90 mph (not kidding). My comments were mostly talking about speeding on backroads and such, where you might be going 65 in a 45, etc...
 
Oohhhhh.... well, then.



Yeah, I get some 90 mph traffic myself.



Anyway, I agree there... well, sort of. There's some back roads out here with a speed limit of 50. I usually do 80 on them. These are mostly straight, mind you, and lightly travelled. Not that bad, I don't think.



Now, if you start talking about low speed limits like that (as in residential areas, fairly congested roads through cities and towns, etc.), then I'm totally w/ you there. Aren't most accidents within a small radius of home, where speed limits are lowest? (I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere...)
 
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