Menzerna from Autogeek & Proper Auto Care

[Mikeyc]

In light of the recent post by DavidB, I will move back to neutral on this. *I* have a feeling that the "shill" is right here among us.

There are shills all around us all the time. It's a never ending battle trying to decide who's opinion to trust and who's opinion to ignore.



Definitely the whole CMA/shill situation is very interesting. I know at least one screen name was banned on AGO a few months ago as well and supposedly they were CMA employees.



I'm curious to see how all the drama will play out.

 

[superchargedg]

Hmmm this thread is getting interesting.

 

[imported_grease]

Menzerna is a professional/industrial polishing materials company. We have traditionally sold our products in a simple package that only facilitated ease of use, transport, and packaging. There was a request from CMA to market this professional use product to the consumer, and since packaging and appearance was thought to be an issue, we agreed to have it bottled in a consumer friendly, attractive package. Any Menzerna product with the same name, sold either in a square or round bottle is a Menzerna factory produced product. There is nothing more to it, and you can rest assured that you are receiving the same high quality German made product.

Are you saying then that the Menzerna FMJ is actually a Menzerna of Germany factory-made product, and not something produced in the US?

 

[SuperBee364]

Are you saying then that the Menzerna FMJ is actually a Menzerna of Germany factory-made product, and not something produced in the US?

+1



I was always under the impression that Menzerna Full Molecular Jacket sealant and Menzerna Final Touch Glaze were products made under contract for CMA, and approved by Menzerna USA to wear the Menzerna label. As quoted above...are these two products *real* Menzerna products? Interesting that AG doesn't carry them.

 

[poweredbytorque]

Menzerna is a professional/industrial polishing materials company. We have traditionally sold our products in a simple package that only facilitated ease of use, transport, and packaging. There was a request from CMA to market this professional use product to the consumer, and since packaging and appearance was thought to be an issue, we agreed to have it bottled in a consumer friendly, attractive package. Any Menzerna product with the same name , sold either in a square or round bottle is a Menzerna factory produced product. There is nothing more to it, and you can rest assured that you are receiving the same high quality German made product.

I do believe he answered your questions already. Reading comprehension FTW! :LOLOL



Anyways to make it simple, here is what I believe he means. Anything that is sold by AG/CMA that carries the same name is the coveted "made in germany" stuff regardless of whether it is packaged in a round bottle or square bottle.



Anything else is probably a fabrication of CMA/MenzernaUSA ala FMJ and FTG

 

[SuperBee364]

I do believe he answered your questions already. Reading comprehension FTW! :LOLOL



Anyways to make it simple, here is what I believe he means. Anything that is sold by AG/CMA that carries the same name is the coveted "made in germany" stuff regardless of whether it is packaged in a round bottle or square bottle.



Anything else is probably a fabrication of CMA/MenzernaUSA ala FMJ and FTG

That's what I believe, as well. But I figured since he was dispelling other Menzerna related urban legends, he could completely clarify the FMJ and FTG thing, cause if he doesn't, there will be posts later on where someone asks if FMJ is *really* made by Menzerna, and someone will post a reply stating that "The Man" himself came on here and proclaimed that any product carrying the Menzerna label is made by Menzerna. And the merry go round will continue.



I believe that he wasn't thinking about FMJ and FTG when he made that statement, but let's get it completely cleared up to be sure.

 

[Cleaning Fool]

If you read the description of FMJ on CMA's website, the clear impression to me is that FMJ is a German made product and made by Menzerna. Let me stress one more time, thats the impression I get

 

[SuperBee364]

True, but if you look at Menzerna's product guide, there is no FMJ or a like product that I recall.. Maybe there is now? There used to be a glaze that could have been FTG, though.

 

[poweredbytorque]

This reminds me of some quote that went something like:

Made in Germany Made in the USA

Who gives a **** all the other parts are made in china now.



Anyways I don't think its all that important where a product is made just as long as it performs well. Is it really going to effect your decision about buying a product based on where it is made?



I don't know about you but it sure won't change mine. To me personally, a "made in germany" claim is nothing more than marketing and it doesn't effect my perceptions about the product at all except that its going to be expensive and once it breaks down, its going to cost a lot to repair



For all we know, the chemicals themselves could've been made in the US and then shipped to Germany where they were mixed and then bottled and sold to the Germans as a domestic product.

 

[SuperBee364]

Yeah, so some of us (I know I'm guilty) get bogged down in the minutia of products. It's my hobby, and I like to know this stuff. As long as we have the big guy from Menz USA here to answer a few questions, what's the harm? Sheesh.

 

[itb76]

IT doesnt matter anymore, they will never get another dollar from me.

It matters to me, I have several bottles of Menzerna products in the rectangular bottles left. I guess if they work well for me they're OK.



Interesting discussion.

 

[jsilver6]

Yeah, so some of us (I know I'm guilty) get bogged down in the minutia of products. It's my hobby, and I like to know this stuff. As long as we have the big guy from Menz USA here to answer a few questions, what's the harm? Sheesh.

I appreciate all of the interest that our product line has generated. I hope that it has made your polishing job easier and more enjoyable, and helped to advance your craft. I also appreciate the extensive interest in the technical and marketing "minutia" that is discussed in the forum and realize that to some this is a hobby.



However, when it comes to product marketing and technical specifications, it is also important to realize that all companies must keep secure their proprietary information and agreements. Without this, no business would have the incentive to develop new products, expand their market, stay competitive, and ultimately exist.



Poweredbytorque answered your questions quite well.



Again, a product with a Menzerna label is a Menzerna product. If we identify a fraudulent product being sold under the Menzerna brand, we would take appropriate action to remove that product from the marketplace.



To give you some perspective, try to identify the 3M polishes that are "true" 3M polishes made in a 3M factory. Then expand your inquiry into all of the other detailing products that you use, and try to determine where they are produced and then by whom. Hopefully after much time and futile effort, you should come to realize that the only thing that matters is the performance of the product and the quality, reputation and integrity of the brand. This goes for automobiles, toothpaste, dog food, computers, etc.



Again, if I can assist you with product questions and applications, let me know.

 

[Mikeyc]

To give you some perspective, try to identify the 3M polishes that are "true" 3M polishes made in a 3M factory. Then expand your inquiry into all of the other detailing products that you use, and try to determine where they are produced and then by whom. Hopefully after much time and futile effort, you should come to realize that the only thing that matters is the performance of the product and the quality, reputation and integrity of the brand. This goes for automobiles, toothpaste, dog food, computers, etc.

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. A lot of people on this forum get lost in ridiculous conversations like Poorboy's is made by Chemical Guys or FMJ is made by CMA or Duragloss is the same thing as Zaino. When it comes down to it the most important thing is whether or not you are happy with the product. Where it's made and by whom it's made is really unimportant. I couldn't care less if my products were made by the Keebler Elves in a hollow tree.

 

[jsilver6]

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. A lot of people on this forum get lost in ridiculous conversations like Poorboy's is made by Chemical Guys or FMJ is made by CMA or Duragloss is the same thing as Zaino. When it comes down to it the most important thing is whether or not you are happy with the product. Where it's made and by whom it's made is really unimportant. I couldn't care less if my products were made by the Keebler Elves in a hollow tree.

Our security division with their phalanx of lawyers will be contacting you to determine how you found out about those big-mouthed elves! I never trusted them.

 

[SuperBee364]

I think you hit the nail on the head right there. A lot of people on this forum get lost in ridiculous conversations like Poorboy's is made by Chemical Guys or FMJ is made by CMA or Duragloss is the same thing as Zaino. When it comes down to it the most important thing is whether or not you are happy with the product. Where it's made and by whom it's made is really unimportant. I couldn't care less if my products were made by the Keebler Elves in a hollow tree.

I'm one of those guilty in engaging in these "ridiculous conversations." But then again, what's ridiculous to you might be good information to someone else. For example, if I can get Chemical Guy's Butter wax for 10 bucks from CG's web site, I'd much rather do that than go to Adam's and pay 19.95 for the exact same product. Some would call such conversations "ridiculous", others would call them "smart shopping."



Besides, if such conversation seems so ridiculous to you, then don't read or participate, but let those that do find this stuff relevant continue the conversation without the ridicule.

 

[SuperBee364]

I appreciate all of the interest that our product line has generated. I hope that it has made your polishing job easier and more enjoyable, and helped to advance your craft. I also appreciate the extensive interest in the technical and marketing "minutia" that is discussed in the forum and realize that to some this is a hobby.



However, when it comes to product marketing and technical specifications, it is also important to realize that all companies must keep secure their proprietary information and agreements. Without this, no business would have the incentive to develop new products, expand their market, stay competitive, and ultimately exist.



Poweredbytorque answered your questions quite well.



Again, a product with a Menzerna label is a Menzerna product. If we identify a fraudulent product being sold under the Menzerna brand, we would take appropriate action to remove that product from the marketplace.



To give you some perspective, try to identify the 3M polishes that are "true" 3M polishes made in a 3M factory. Then expand your inquiry into all of the other detailing products that you use, and try to determine where they are produced and then by whom. Hopefully after much time and futile effort, you should come to realize that the only thing that matters is the performance of the product and the quality, reputation and integrity of the brand. This goes for automobiles, toothpaste, dog food, computers, etc.



Again, if I can assist you with product questions and applications, let me know.

That pretty much sums it up right there, thank you for the response.

 

[uzj100]

Again, a product with a Menzerna label is a Menzerna product. If we identify a fraudulent product being sold under the Menzerna brand, we would take appropriate action to remove that product from the marketplace.



To give you some perspective, try to identify the 3M polishes that are "true" 3M polishes made in a 3M factory. Then expand your inquiry into all of the other detailing products that you use, and try to determine where they are produced and then by whom. Hopefully after much time and futile effort, you should come to realize that the only thing that matters is the performance of the product and the quality, reputation and integrity of the brand. This goes for automobiles, toothpaste, dog food, computers, etc.:think:

:think: First, I think it's great that you've taken the time to come on the board and participate and field the various questions here. Your answer is that if it's got a Menzerna label, it's a Menzerna product, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's been manufactured by Menzerna? IOW, Menzerna may spec a product and it may be manufactured for them for a variety of reasons. I suppose it's fair to say that most on here are after what they consider to be the best products and that they would like to obtain them at a fair price too. If there are different sources for the same product and one is less expensive than the other, I'm sure the product that costs less would be the choice for many if not all people on here.



Again, thanks for entering the fray. Certainly the # of posts on this topic shows you just how strong the following and support for Menzerna products is.

 

[Mikeyc]

I'm one of those guilty in engaging in these "ridiculous conversations." But then again, what's ridiculous to you might be good information to someone else. For example, if I can get Chemical Guy's Butter wax for 10 bucks from CG's web site, I'd much rather do that than go to Adam's and pay 19.95 for the exact same product. Some would call such conversations "ridiculous", others would call them "smart shopping."



Besides, if such conversation seems so ridiculous to you, then don't read or participate, but let those that do find this stuff relevant continue the conversation without the ridicule.

I think you slightly misjudge what I'm saying here. I am ALL FOR smart shopping. If there are two products and they perform exactly the same and one is even $0.50 cheaper then it's a no brainer which one I'm going to buy.



What I find ridiculous is that people insist on proving two products are identical. If they both perform the same, who cares? If looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck then it's probably a duck. Do we really need to waste our time proving it when no one has any evidence only conjecture?



No one can ever prove the two products are the same except for the people making them so why bother? The important thing is the performance of the product not where it's made or who it's made by.

 

[phamkl]

There's speculation that Shakespeare didn't actually write his plays, that they were someone else's work that he branded his own. But really, who cares? So long as the plays are good, right?



The simple answer is that it just matters to some people. For literature, it matters to me, which is why I understand why it would matter for some people.

 

[Mikeyc]

There's speculation that Shakespeare didn't actually write his plays, that they were someone else's work that he branded his own. But really, who cares? So long as the plays are good, right?



The simple answer is that it just matters to some people. For literature, it matters to me, which is why I understand why it would matter for some people.

Whether Shakespeare wrote them or Jim Croce does it make the play any less great? This is my point.



In the end aren't we all in it for great looking, shiny cars. I know that's why I do it (along with the fact that I enjoy the process and trying new products). So at least to me the performance of the product is what's important. If other people want to talk conspiracy theories then fine but personally I'm not interested. Maybe Poorboy's products are actually made by aliens on a UFO