Menzerna and different pads

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gav'spurplez

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I have always used IP with a yellow cutting pad for bad swirls, and FPII with a white polishing pad for lesser swirls.



What would be a more effective combo IP with a white pad or FPII with a yellow pad ?
 
IP on white for sure. You can 1 step it on some paints and some colors really nicely if you finish it out well. You can go from IP on white to FPII on white(a clean pad of course) and get a really nice finish for the products you have there.



FPII wont do much but provide lubrication for the yellow pad to marr the crap out of the paint. Yellow is an aggressive foam.



This is all assuming youre talking about the LC white and LC yellow. :)
 
yeah i think LC and the ones i order from proper auto care . com

are the same...



yep, yellow is coarse, white not so much and then i use the gray finishing pad for LSP's



thanks for the info.....
 
I dunno, there's the rock-hard yellow, and then the soft yellow that CMA (used to?) sells. I found the softer yellow to be more effective in general (more cut, less marring?), the hard yellow mostly succeeded in making my wrists ache.



I would think that the hard yellow pads would more suit themselves to PG rather than IP, which isn't really that aggressive.
 
gav'spurplez said:
I have always used IP with a yellow cutting pad for bad swirls, and FPII with a white polishing pad for lesser swirls.



What would be a more effective combo IP with a white pad or FPII with a yellow pad ?
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When it comes to those times when you need some strong cut, instead of yellow pads, maybe give the orange pads a try with a more aggressive polish. If you want to stay in the Menzerna brand, the more aggressive polish would be Power Gloss. Another good strong compound is Meguiars M105 Ultra Cut.



If you were to use M105 on LC Orange to get rid of the swirls, IP on white to clean up after compounding and then FPII on Black to burnish the paint.
 
I may be out dated, i have been using the IP and the CMA pads for years.....just havent been doing alot of " customer " cars so i still have products left over....



....i was just wondering because the yellow pad + IP always dusts alot, and i thought there may be a less "harsh" combo..... i really need to read up on the newer products....



am i in the stone age ??
 
FWIW, I'd much rather use an aggressive product on a mild pad than vice-versa.



I only use aggressive pads as needed to *let the product work the best*.



And I'd never use something as mild as FPII with a harsh pad, *NEVER*. It'd be trying to force the FPII to do something it's not designed to do.
 
gav'spurplez said:
....i was just wondering because the yellow pad + IP always dusts alot, and i thought there may be a less "harsh" combo..... i really need to read up on the newer products....



am i in the stone age ??
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Noting that I have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age when my old stuff is still working OK, yeah...there have been a whole lot of advances that really *can* make a difference.



I hardly *EVER* use yellow foam any more.



Some of the newer polishes are really something; I'm working with the Meguiar's M105/m205 twins these days, but some of the newer Menzerna offerings would probably wow you too.



Matching the various pads on the market with some of the newer polishes would almost certainly result in *some* combo giving you a very pleasant surprise.
 
Accumulator said:
FWIW, I'd much rather use an aggressive product on a mild pad than vice-versa.



I only use aggressive pads as needed to *let the product work the best*.



And I'd never use something as mild as FPII with a harsh pad, *NEVER*. It'd be trying to force the FPII to do something it's not designed to do.
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I have to agree with Accum here. When climbing the aggressiveness ladder, 99% of the time I get better results if I go stronger with the polish rather than with the pad.



For example, if Menz 106ff or 106fa on a white pad was not enough, I would go up to SIP still on a white rather than using 106 on an orange pad. If SIP on the white pad still wasn't enough I would do one of two things, either 1) Go up in polish one more time and use Megs 105 on the white pad or 2) stay with SIP and bring the pad up to orange. But like I said, I almost always go to a stronger polish before going to a stronger pad. In many cases I have come across where I had to do both.



An exception may be a time when I was using say SIP on an orange pad. I might stick with SIP but use a LC Purple Foamed Wool pad or the Foamed Wool pads that David Fermani likes so much since both pads cut so nice with SIP. But this is more the exception than the rule.



Once I wear out my LC Purple Foamed pads I am going to have to give those Foamed Wool pads David talks about. I just keep hearing so much good stuff about them.
 
up the aggressiveness on a orange pad if need be...105 and orange is as aggressive I get on the PC, anymore than that, and I am reaching for the rotary with a PFW pad and starting over on the aggressiveness scale regarding the compounds



my general testing goes something like this...

orange pad with SIP

orange pad with 105

rotary, PFW, SIP

rotary, PFW, 105



if that doesnt do the trick, then its a 2 day detail!
 
toyotaguy said:
up the aggressiveness on a orange pad if need be...105 and orange is as aggressive I get on the PC, anymore than that, and I am reaching for the rotary..
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Agreed, although I was surprised how well Cyclo/Edge 4" wool pads worked on the PC with M105 (I would *NOT* try them with any other product based on my experiences with them). For cases where the rotary isn't an option, those do give you one moren (final?) click up the aggressiveness scale.



Oh, and there are the Surbuf pads, currently under discussion on a few threads. They can apparently do some very impressive correction.
 
bert31 said:
.. When climbing the aggressiveness ladder, 99% of the time I get better results if I go stronger with the polish rather than with the pad..
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One notable exception I oughta mention is the M205/orange combo. I never woulda thought of it, but ebpcivicsi suggested it and it worked well for me. Not "LSP-ready-well", but it was still good.
 
Accumulator said:
One notable exception I oughta mention is the M205/orange combo. I never woulda thought of it, but ebpcivicsi suggested it and it worked well for me. Not "LSP-ready-well", but it was still good.
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Interesting. Before reading this I would have never considered using 205 on anything more aggressive than white.



I guess it goes to show that once I feel I have a pretty good understanding of detailing, new products come out and twist the "rules" around.
 
interesting information here guys,



i may start ordering more polishing pads than cutting pads....and more aggressive polishes....



i never liked the dusting i got from the IP and a yellow pad, what a mess !!!
 
FWIW, I like what Accum and David Fermani say. I don't own or use yellow foam at all, and only occasionally use orange. My first attempts usually start with white and 106FA, then maybe green or white again and SIP. 85RD, 106FA, the newer Power Finish and SIP are all white pad friendly--at least that's my experience via rotary.



Orange and SIP via PC gives similar results to white and SIP via rotary--again, these are my observations. The Power Finish may be a more versatile polish across a range of pads, though I haven't use it as extensively as SIP and the two 106s (FF and FA)
 
bert31 said:
Interesting. Before reading this I would have never considered using 205 on anything more aggressive than white.



I guess it goes to show that once I feel I have a pretty good understanding of detailing, new products come out and twist the "rules" around.
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ebpcivicsi and I seem to often give each other interesting ideas, when he suggests something I pay attention :D



BTW, the M205/*Griot's* orange combo is just a tad more aggressive than M205/white, and on most paints I bet it'll finish out just as well. Nobody's more surprised than I am how versatile the M205 can be with different pads!



Now I'm thinking how the Menzerna Power Finish might be another *very* versatile polish :think:
 
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