Meguiars #7 usage

jfelbab said:
I've applied #7 by hand but I usually use a PC as it makes the task easier and lays down a thinner more even coat.



Another tip about removal. Don't worry about streaking on removal. Any streaking that might remain after removal of #7 goes away when you apply your LSP. I don't buff this stuff off like an LSP. I just remove it and move on to the LSP.



OTOH, when I use #7 over my LSP prior to a show, I use a WOWO method and do a smaller section at a time to avoid any streaking.



jfelbab, I intend to use it "between" Klasse SG and Chemical Guys 50/50, I have been told this will give me some filling and a wetter look, is this true?



How long does #7 last when used in this manner and just the top coat of wax reapplied every 5 or 6 weeks ?



By the way I'd be careful not to lean against that red car, you would get your pants wet :kewlpics



Changeling
 
It will work just great and does a good job at filling, IMHO. I can't say how long it will last for you but for me it lasts a long time.



My routine on my daily driver, is to do a full detail every quarter. I apply #7 and top with NXT Tech Wax(x2) and keep re-sealing the LSP with NXT Tech Spray Wax after every other wash. In this scenario, #7 lasts a full three months. Car is garaged evenings.



On my MR2, which is now a garage queen, (I put only about 500 miles on it last year) I detail twice a year. I wash on average once a month as it doesn't get out in inclement weather any more and I typically reseal after every wash. In this environment the #7 lasts for 6 months easily.
 
Thanks alot for this, Jim. This helps tremendously. I used NXT on my 5 years old Volvo but recongized afterwards that I needed to polish first. I bought #7 to accomplish that. I also bought #20 to go on top as a sealer to top with #26. (I will continue to use NXTx2 on my commute car topped with #26 as I really like the results. Is it safe to say that NXT and #20 are are used interchangeably for the same purpose in the same step?



Best regards...
 
keesue said:
Thanks alot for this, Jim. This helps tremendously. I used NXT on my 5 years old Volvo but recongized afterwards that I needed to polish first. I bought #7 to accomplish that. I also bought #20 to go on top as a sealer to top with #26. (I will continue to use NXTx2 on my commute car topped with #26 as I really like the results. Is it safe to say that NXT and #20 are are used interchangeably for the same purpose in the same step?



Best regards...



Yes, that's safe to say.



Regardless of the LSP that you prefer, the key is good prep. Do clay and polish well. If you have a lot of swirls you might need an abrasive polish to remove some of them. Using #7 to hid them can only go so far.
 
jfelbab, you commented that you apply the #7 with a PC. Would you mind telling me the type of pad you are using and your technique for PC application?

Changeling
 
Changeling said:
jfelbab, you commented that you apply the #7 with a PC. Would you mind telling me the type of pad you are using and your technique for PC application?

Changeling



I use a polishing pad (Meg's W8006). I apply with fairly light pressure at speed 3 with the PC. The goal is just an even, thin application. There is no need to apply it like an abrasive polish where you would use some pressure and need to work it until it is nearly dry. In this case you just want an even coat.



I apply to a panel at a time then remove. To remove I first cut the residue (film) with a 100% cotton towel and remove most of the product then I follow with a microfiber towel. I don't pay much attention to the removal process and if you miss any spots or there is any streaking remaining, the LSP will take care of it.
 
I just copied this from Mike Phillips of Meguiars on the Megs forum. Best post about #7 I've seen. I havent used it in awhile but it did a great job for me a few years ago. After seeing the red car in this thread, I may go pick some up!

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As someone else pointed out, #7 is a high oil content product. In fact, it's mostly oil. I could tell you more about it, I have over 7 pages on just this product alone in my forthcoming book, How to Polish Paint. it's really quite a unique product.



For the last 15 years I have seen a lot people comment as to how hard the product is to get off.



Usually, (and I'm not saying this is what your did), the person makes a couple of mistakes.



#7 is a non-drying oil.



One of the many things it can be used for is to make paint look wet, thus the name, Show Car Glaze.



The reason it can do this is because it is a non-drying oil. Think about it, when you get a brand new paint job, or if you spray some rattle can paint before it dries, it looks wet, because it is. It hasn't dried.



It's hard to get the "Wet Look" with something they dries, especially if it turns white/opaque.



You cannot make something "more clear" with something that is "opaque".



#26 Yellow Wax, (which is a polymer/synthetic for the most part), dries clear, it does not turn white. It turns the surface very dark and deep however.



So the mistake most people make when using the #7 is this.



1. They apply it too thick - this makes it extremely hard to remove

2. They try to remove it like a wax.



Two tips.



First Tip - Apply #7 with a thin coat



The idea is to "Push" the product into the pores of the paint, allow it to cure or dry, (if it's a drying product) then wipe off the material remaining on the surface. Sure some product remains on the surface, and there are a lot of opinions concerning "Layering", but suffice to say, there is a point of "Diminishing Returns".



If it were true you could create a "film-build" of product, that would mean that after enough coats, you would no longer be applying a coat of product onto paint, but in fact would be applying a coat of product onto a "film-build of product", (In other words, your layers of wax/polish/protectant/polymer/sealant/synthetic, or whatever word/term you want to use to describe your protective coating.



Kind of like trying to re-create a "Clear Coat". Last time I checked, nobody's product is clear, at least not like the clear resin a clear coat of paint is made from, (clear resin is often slightly amber in color)



So I don't know if I subscribe to the "Layering" theory. I am experimenting however, with multiple coats after coat of product on my black demo panel here in my office, so far, no "visible film-build". I do believe that two thin coats are better than one, and three coats wont' hurt. After that, I don't know. I would at least let some time go by.



So apply #7 thin. Use a soft foam applicator pad.



Second Tip - Removing #7 requires a special technique, not the same kind of technique you remove a wax with.



Most people remove their wax like this. Start in one area, begin wiping until all of the wax is removed in that area and then move on to virgin territory.



This will not work for #7. The "Act" of removing #7, tends to "Re-liquefy" the product, basically creating the smearing around effect that you experience when you apply it.



Instead, "Break" or "Disrupt" the "Continuous" layer of film-build and then move on to a virgin area and "Break this film-build up.



You see, #7 doesn't actually dry, but it will "Skin", somewhat like homemade pudding.



This "Skin" is easier to break up and remove then the more liquid film is.



By breaking up the continuos film-build and then moving on, you are exposing a fresh layer of the film to the air where it will skin. The next time you come around, it will be easier to break up and remove.



So the idea is to apply a thin coat to the entire car.



Then, Go around the car two to three times, removing a little bit at a time.



A big soft, high quality, 100% cotton, terry cloth towel works best for the first two passes, and then switch over to a Microfiber polishing cloth for the last pass. Microfiber polishing cloths have an affinity for both water and oil based liquids and will remove oily residues much better with less fiber inflicted scratches.



Anyway, that's what my experience has taught me after applying and removing gallons of #7 over the years, to every kind of car with every known type of paint.



Another person mentioned it will wash off. This is true. #7 is a "Body Shop" safe polish. It has no "Lasting Characteristics", i.e. it contains no ingredients that will affect "Paint Adhesion", typically waxes or silicones. (There are what are called, "Paintable Polymers", Meguiar's uses these in the "Speed Glaze", a body shop safe, cleaner/polish).



#7 is not meant to last. The idea is it will not semi-permanently "seal" or "Cap" the pores of the paint. (waxes, sealants, synthetics, polymers, whatever you prefer to call them act to semi-permanently seal or cap the pores of the paint. Nothing is permanent, at least not according to the theory of Entropy. This can lead into an entire discussion of "Permeable and Impermeable, but I digress).



This is important when used on solvent-borne paints because it allows the solvents to continue to work their way out of the paint resin through "capillary-action", (I think). The idea being that paint that is fully cured will be harder and last longer than paint that is not fully cured, i.e. softer and will not last as long.



How important this is to Catalyzed paints I do not know. The Synthetic wax crowd usually tells everyone it is safe to wax catalyzed paint shortly after they are sprayed. While this may be safe, I know that paint manufactures "Still" recommend waiting 30/60/90 days before you apply any type of "Sealant", i.e. wax to the surface. Best to follow manufactures recommendations when dealing with something as expensive a s new paint job, not to mention all of the work and inconvenience getting a car painted causes.



#7, in my opinion works better on single-stage finishes, either modern or traditional. For the wet-look, either Deep Crystal Polish, (very much like #7 but in Meguiar's Consumer line), is easier to apply and remove or #80 Hand Polish in the Meguiar's 80's series, (Body shop products, only comes in a quart).



I'm sorry you had a hard time applying and removing the product, perhaps if you try again, following my tips you will have better results.



By the way, as someone else commented, usually, #7 is applied first, then wax is applied over it. This is because the #7 is water soluble and the wax isn't', thus the wax will act to "Lock" or "Seal" in the #7.



However, right before a show to make the paint look wet and to fill in hairline scratches, it is perfectly aright to apply the #7 on top of the wax, thus the name Show Car Glaze.



It was never formulated to be a lasting product, but instead a Beauty product.



With that said, if your goal is to make the paint it's darkest, deepest and wettest looking, then I submit your best bet is a product that is oily and doesn't dry. Yes, it might be temporary, but the show only last one to two days sometimes three.



That's all.



Hope this helps,

Mike Phillips
 
Mike, that was awesome, at least I think so. I have a journal/manual and whenever there is a really awesome post with some great information I print it an put it in the journal. Your dissertation just got entered, thanks.

Changeling
 
Sorry Kpounds, I was so enthused about reading the article, I mistakenly thought you were the author. Thanks for posting it.

Changeling
 
Changeling said:
Sorry Kpounds, I was so enthused about reading the article, I mistakenly thought you were the author. Thanks for posting it.

Changeling





No problem.........you can call me Ray! :D
  1. I did my truck with #7 a looong time ago and that was one of my first head turners. Very wet and glossy. Glad the post was useful for you. Mike Phillips is the Meguiars Guru. :bow
 
kpounds said:
I just copied this from Mike Phillips of Meguiars ..





...#7, in my opinion works better on single-stage finishes, either modern or traditional. For the wet-look, either Deep Crystal Polish, (very much like #7 but in Meguiar's Consumer line), is easier to apply and remove or #80 Hand Polish in the Meguiar's 80's series, (Body shop products, only comes in a quart....



Just a reminder that the bold-faced "#80 Hand Polish" is a in the above is a typo, Mike meant "#81 Hand Polish".
 
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