List of water based leather conditioners/cleaners?
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Bunky
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I believe Poor Boys Leather Stuff is water based. You do not see many pure oil based but there are some with lanolin, waxes, etc. Meg;s One Step (picked up moons ago at Walmart) says it has no animal fats, etc. implying it is not an oil based cleaner/conditioner.
wytstang
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ThatGuySkye
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Roger Koh said:
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judyb
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A lot of products are waster based but still contain oils or waxes in an emulsion. Oils/waxes etc cannot penetrate the finishes that are put on auto leather and stay on the surface where they collect more dirt to deteriorate the finish. The reason for using water based products is to keep the leather rehydrated. All leather has to transpire (breathe) which allows the movement of moisture particles back and forth through the leather so all surface coatings have to allow this to happen otherwise it is sealed and is not leather. Mositure particles from water based products are very fine (much finer than oils and waxes) and so can penetrate the finishes and rehydrate the leather.
True water based products do not contain oils and/or waxes so if the label says they do then don't use them.
There are many water based cleaners around some good and some not so good. Foaming cleaners are the best as they can be given dwell time unlike liquids. Cream cleaners are not good as they need to be 'cleaned' off after use!! making them a pointless porduct.
'Conditioners' are the products that cause the most confursion. Again they should not contain oils or waxes as this does no good for your leather finish. 'Conditioning' leather as far as a tanner is concerned is the moisture balance so using a true water based product will condition your leather in the correct way.
LM, Fenice and LTT all produce true water based products.
Hope this helps
True water based products do not contain oils and/or waxes so if the label says they do then don't use them.
There are many water based cleaners around some good and some not so good. Foaming cleaners are the best as they can be given dwell time unlike liquids. Cream cleaners are not good as they need to be 'cleaned' off after use!! making them a pointless porduct.
'Conditioners' are the products that cause the most confursion. Again they should not contain oils or waxes as this does no good for your leather finish. 'Conditioning' leather as far as a tanner is concerned is the moisture balance so using a true water based product will condition your leather in the correct way.
LM, Fenice and LTT all produce true water based products.
Hope this helps
judyb said:
You always have excellent explenations regarding leather related products, but you always forget to actually NAME some products. You caught my attention with the whole bit regarding the leather foam cleaners....can you forward mein the proper direction as to where I can directly purchase this recommended product, preferably somewhere in North America?
Much Appreciated.
JohnKleven
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1Z Leather Care is a water based emulsion. Works very well.
John
John
judyb said:
Ok..now Im confused.
This is what I use:
Leather Cleaner Plus Conditioner Combo Deal 2 Step Solution For Restoring Old Leather (Leather Cleaner 16 Oz. & Pure Leather Conditioner 16 Oz.)
and I like it so far, smells great, and keeps it clean, but I dont want to be damaging my European Recaro Leather seats either...(seats are in a 2004 Ford Focus SVT, with the European appearance package, and you cant buy these seats anymore....)
is this ok to use??? Im so paranoid now..and I was planning on doing my interior tomorrow.
Edit:
here are the seats, and yes they are dirty as hell, lol
What are water-based leather cleaners?
Firstly, leather cleaners that are Preconditioner and they can come in various strength (example –Prep-Cleaner, Super- Cleaner or Strong-Cleaner to match soiling severity and problematic stains like blue-jean-dye-transfer, ballpoint-ink or even chewing- gum.
Secondly, leather cleaners that are for general cleaning and that is also meant to remove any sticky residue left behind by these mentioned preconditioners.
Thirdly are the rinse that neutralizes and pH balance the leather to its natural neutral pH value.
What are water-based leather conditioners?
First there are hydrators that will relax cardboard stiff leathers and also helps to create breathing pores within the leather structure as preconditioners for leather rejuvenating.
Secondly is the life blood of leathers – the fat and oil in water emulsion thus the term Fatliquor to soften and strengthen the leather structure (below surface) for its unique suppleness.
Thirdly is the non-stick protector that protects the leather (above surface) from abrasive wear.
Thus you have a total of 3 cleaners and 3 conditioners samples to test them out.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor
Firstly, leather cleaners that are Preconditioner and they can come in various strength (example –Prep-Cleaner, Super- Cleaner or Strong-Cleaner to match soiling severity and problematic stains like blue-jean-dye-transfer, ballpoint-ink or even chewing- gum.
Secondly, leather cleaners that are for general cleaning and that is also meant to remove any sticky residue left behind by these mentioned preconditioners.
Thirdly are the rinse that neutralizes and pH balance the leather to its natural neutral pH value.
What are water-based leather conditioners?
First there are hydrators that will relax cardboard stiff leathers and also helps to create breathing pores within the leather structure as preconditioners for leather rejuvenating.
Secondly is the life blood of leathers – the fat and oil in water emulsion thus the term Fatliquor to soften and strengthen the leather structure (below surface) for its unique suppleness.
Thirdly is the non-stick protector that protects the leather (above surface) from abrasive wear.
Thus you have a total of 3 cleaners and 3 conditioners samples to test them out.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
JohnKleven said:
Leather Care 'Lederpflege'
Item Id: 924805
A gentle formula of cleaners, natural oils and waxes that clean and condition to maintain the natural look and feel of leather surfaces. Leaves a clean, non-greasy finish with a light scent. Does not leave residue around stitching or perforations. Use on interior car fittings, motorcycle cladding, handbags, and boots. Not for use on suede or nude leathers.
Focus2069 said:
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Leather rejuvenating plays an important role especially where leather panels are perforated.
The central panels sure show that the leather is perforated.
And the main problem is that the fatliquors dries up from these opening as well as the needle holes (take a magnifying glass to see if the perforation holes are still round without cracks).
The beneath surface is where the leather strength and suppleness lies and it has to be rejuvenated periodically to retain its strength and suppleness.
It is done by hydrating the fiber structure probably about 1.25mm average in thickness.
Hydrating relaxes and separates the stick together fibers from stiffness and prepares the way for the fatliquor to hydrogen-bond with the protein leather fibrils so that each fibril is lubricated.
When fibrils are each lubricated it can slide against one another smoothly – thus the strength and suppleness.
Test it out a small panel first with a Hydrator then follows with Fatliquor – you will certainly find the difference in the suppleness of the leather.
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor®
Yes these 3 cleaners and 3 conditioners are water-based!
And the fact that it is water-based also denotes that it has a pH value.
The pH value is either on the labels or found in the MSDS.
It is always better to double check with a pH meter or litmus paper.
Why?
User has to be cautious about ALKALINITY and SOLVENCY!
Alkaline water-based leather cleaner is not necessary safe for the leather structure if it is not neutralize to the pH neutral (3-5) of leather!
Alkalinity will streaks the leather finishes and result in tackiness that easily attracts soiling.
Alkalinity when comes in contact with the leather structure through the perforated panels and needle-holes will eventually stiffen the leathers and cause crack.
Alkalinity causes the protein fibers to shift anionic (-) and breaks the hydrogen-bond of the other anionic leather constituents (tanning agents, preservatives, fatliquors and dyestuff).
Water stains marks are common examples of alkaline exposure.
And it is not necessary that a water-based product does not contain SOLVENT.
Solvency dries up the fat and oils from the leather structure – that when dries and used frequent stiffen the leathers.
Solvency is good to emulsify oily or greasy soiling if the leather is non-absorbent, but it is bad when the wear areas becomes absorbent or the perforated panel absorb these solvency.
Therefore it is recommended to recondition the leather chemistry integrity with an acidifying rinse to pH balance to its pH neutral of 3-5.
Hydrating stiff and dried leather to plump it up with more breathing spaces relaxes and separates the inter-fibrillary spaces for more effective fiber lubrication by fatliquoring.
And replenish the fatliquor from drying up and leaching out thus rejuvenating it to its strength and suppleness for practical usage of compressibility, stretchability and flexibility with integrity.
Thereafter we talk can about the final surface conditioning of non-stick protection, buttery-feel, and leather-scent and how leather can be enhanced more sensuous and luxurious that charms.
A wise search is to request for samples and test it out!
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor®
And the fact that it is water-based also denotes that it has a pH value.
The pH value is either on the labels or found in the MSDS.
It is always better to double check with a pH meter or litmus paper.
Why?
User has to be cautious about ALKALINITY and SOLVENCY!
Alkaline water-based leather cleaner is not necessary safe for the leather structure if it is not neutralize to the pH neutral (3-5) of leather!
Alkalinity will streaks the leather finishes and result in tackiness that easily attracts soiling.
Alkalinity when comes in contact with the leather structure through the perforated panels and needle-holes will eventually stiffen the leathers and cause crack.
Alkalinity causes the protein fibers to shift anionic (-) and breaks the hydrogen-bond of the other anionic leather constituents (tanning agents, preservatives, fatliquors and dyestuff).
Water stains marks are common examples of alkaline exposure.
And it is not necessary that a water-based product does not contain SOLVENT.
Solvency dries up the fat and oils from the leather structure – that when dries and used frequent stiffen the leathers.
Solvency is good to emulsify oily or greasy soiling if the leather is non-absorbent, but it is bad when the wear areas becomes absorbent or the perforated panel absorb these solvency.
Therefore it is recommended to recondition the leather chemistry integrity with an acidifying rinse to pH balance to its pH neutral of 3-5.
Hydrating stiff and dried leather to plump it up with more breathing spaces relaxes and separates the inter-fibrillary spaces for more effective fiber lubrication by fatliquoring.
And replenish the fatliquor from drying up and leaching out thus rejuvenating it to its strength and suppleness for practical usage of compressibility, stretchability and flexibility with integrity.
Thereafter we talk can about the final surface conditioning of non-stick protection, buttery-feel, and leather-scent and how leather can be enhanced more sensuous and luxurious that charms.
A wise search is to request for samples and test it out!
Roger Koh
Leather Doctor®
Roger Koh said:
Here's a link to his samples if you want to read more:
Auto Water-based Leather Cleaners and Conditioners - Leather Cleaning Restoration Forum
judyb
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Adding fatliquors to leather is a complete nonsense. When leather is tanned all the natural fats etc are removed from the skin or hide. During the retanning process fatliquors and moisture are reintroduced to the leather to make it supple and flexible. The fatliquors that are introduced to the leather are very stable and do not 'dry out' of the leather over time unlike the moisture which is a variable level. This is the reason to use water based products. Anyone selling a 'fatliquoring' product does not understand the process or that fatliquors are impossible to reintroduce to the leather once the tanning process has finished.
LTT products are all water based and are simple to use cleaners and protectors which are all that is required to keep your leather in good condition. Keep your leather clean and rehydrated and you will prolong its life.
Hope this helps
LTT products are all water based and are simple to use cleaners and protectors which are all that is required to keep your leather in good condition. Keep your leather clean and rehydrated and you will prolong its life.
Hope this helps