KSG on top of Collinite 476

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nytoy

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I was curious, I've already clayed and applied one layer of Collinite 476 to my car, rather than start over can I use KSG x 2 and then another layer of Collinite 476 on it?



Or should I use the AIO over the top of the Collinite 476 and then 2 layers of KSG and a final layer of Collinite 476? Just trying to do the best winter protection.
 
nytoy said:
I was curious, I've already clayed and applied one layer of Collinite 476 to my car, rather than start over can I use KSG x 2 and then another layer of Collinite 476 on it?



Or should I use the AIO over the top of the Collinite 476 and then 2 layers of KSG and a final layer of Collinite 476? Just trying to do the best winter protection.
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You first are going to have to remove the Collinite...IMO wax is not going to be any kind of base for SG. AIO is a cleaner but fresh wax may be asking a lot.
 
Ok, so AIO, two layers of KSG, and then 1 or 2 layers of 476s? Is 476 a LSP? Or more for protection? Just wondering what the most protection from the nasty winter salt and stuff we get.



I'm unsure if you can layer 476, should I look at IW(845) or is 476 better for durability?
 
Technically yes it is a Last Step Product...BUT..most used LSP to mean a sealant not a wax(topper)

Be sure to check that the AIO did its job of giving you a clean base to aplliy the SG.
 
nytoy- 476S is a LSP and it's a very durable one. It's what I use on my wife's A8 during the winter and that car gets a lot of use. She even runs it through touchless carwashes when she travels and the 476S holds up just fine.



Unless you're just aching to redo the vehicle, I'd just add more Collinite. Two layers of KSG won't protect much (if any) better than a few layers of 476S. I've used both products on winter cars and the Collinite lasted all winter even though that car was outside 24/7.



Yeah, you'd have to remove the Collinite and do the Klasse twins on clean paint. Generally speaking, KSG shouldn't be applied to anything except AIO or previous layers of KSG. I'd just keep adding more 476S. Yeah it layers- mulitiple applications lasted longe for me than one application did.



Honestly, there's no way I'd even consider redoing a vehicle that already had a good prep and some 476S on it.
 
Accumulator said:
nytoy- 476S is a LSP and it's a very durable one. It's what I use on my wife's A8 during the winter and that car gets a lot of use. She even runs it through touchless carwashes when she travels and the 476S holds up just fine.



Unless you're just aching to redo the vehicle, I'd just add more Collinite. Two layers of KSG won't protect much (if any) better than a few layers of 476S. I've used both products on winter cars and the Collinite lasted all winter even though that car was outside 24/7.



Yeah, you'd have to remove the Collinite and do the Klasse twins on clean paint. Generally speaking, KSG shouldn't be applied to anything except AIO or previous layers of KSG. I'd just keep adding more 476S. Yeah it layers- mulitiple applications lasted longe for me than one application did.



Honestly, there's no way I'd even consider redoing a vehicle that already had a good prep and some 476S on it.
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Ahh thank you, this is the response I was looking for.



I have two vehicles, one that has been clayed with one layer of 476, and one that has been just clayed. So I'll add another layer of 476 to the car that already has a layer on it and go with AIO SG and a final layer of 476 on the car that has just been clayed.



How long do I need to wait in between coats of SG? I'm worried this is the last chance I'll get before winter, so I may have to rush two coats in a row...



I'm assuming I can put 2 coats of 476 on back to back.



EDIT: doh! just searched and saw bill north's WOWO instructions, saying to wait at least another 24 hrs before applying a second coat of SG, does this mean I can't do 476 on top of it for another 24 hrs as well?
 
nytoty- I'd try to find a way to wait 24 hours between anything involving KSG. I even like to wait between layes of 476S but I know you're dealing with the weather. Do what you can, I suspect you'll find that everything works out fine no matter what you do. I often think we overdo/overthink this stuff, making it all more involved than it really needs to be ;)



Oh, and as far as I know, LSP= Last Step Product/Process, the last thing you put on/do to the vehicle. For me this is often a carnauba wax. I don't even use sealants on many of our vehicles.
 
Accumulator said:
nytoty- I'd try to find a way to wait 24 hours between anything involving KSG. I even like to wait between layes of 476S but I know you're dealing with the weather. Do what you can, I suspect you'll find that everything works out fine no matter what you do. I often think we overdo/overthink this stuff, making it all more involved than it really needs to be ;)



Oh, and as far as I know, LSP= Last Step Product/Process, the last thing you put on/do to the vehicle. For me this is often a carnauba wax. I don't even use sealants on many of our vehicles.
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I got one coat of each on the two vehicles. Both look and feel amazing, thanks to all the searching I did on this forum. I'm very happy with the results and ease of the application. I don't feel however the terry cloth sponge pads are the best tool however, I can see how a MF pad would work better.



That being said I did try a test section of KSG on top of the 476 (the 476 had been sitting a week garaged) and it seemed to work fine. I'm not sure if it's a waste of the product to put it over the top of the 476 and then apply an additional layer of 476 (after waiting 24hrs of course) or if I should just forget the KSG and slap another layer of 476 on.



Another quick question, the vehicle I applied AIO and KSG to saw rain over night, I want to top it with the 476, can I just use a quick detail spray to clean it, or do I have to actually wash it (kinda hard when the high is 32 degrees) Thanks for the responses.
 
Interesting about the KSG appearing to work over the 476S; I never would've expected that. Keep an eye on it and see how it works out over time. Inquiring minds might like to know :D



I'd still just add more 476S myself, going with a known winner.



On the one that got rained on, if it were my vehicle I'd wash it, but then I'm awfully marring-phobic.
 
Accumulator said:
nytoty- I'd try to find a way to wait 24 hours between anything involving KSG. I even like to wait between layes of 476S but I know you're dealing with the weather. Do what you can, I suspect you'll find that everything works out fine no matter what you do. I often think we overdo/overthink this stuff, making it all more involved than it really needs to be ;)



Oh, and as far as I know, LSP= Last Step Product/Process, the last thing you put on/do to the vehicle. For me this is often a carnauba wax. I don't even use sealants on many of our vehicles.
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Guys..you have misread my comment..I said wax is a last step! But I have notice some on forums (I said MOST should have said SOME) will use LSP in terms of a sealant and then follow with wax as a topper. There was even a question sometime back by a new member askeing what LSP meant and he got both answers.

Those flames burn!
 
Contacted Werkstatt a few weeks ago when I switched over to his products from Klasse.

This is the email that was sent:

"C.Jett is designed to be fully compatible with both Prime and A.Jett. We generally recommend using at least Prime as an undercoat to ensure that the surface is clean and prepped since C.Jett is purely a protective product with no cleaners or prep agents in itself.



C.Jett can certainly be used over one or more coats of A.Jett as well, and this will add to the protection afforded the paint and arguably will add to the "look" of the detail. While A.Jett can be layered without much wait time between coats, we recommend waiting a few hours after the final coat before applying C.Jett. (A longer 12-24 hours is even better if you have the time, but this is usually overkill anyway.)



Also, if you want to put multiple coats of C.Jett, you can do so with minimal waiting. Since C.Jett does not use petroleum solvents to soften the wax, it solidifies into a hard coating faster than waxes you must let haze. As well, all carnauba waxes, by their very nature, do not chemically cure like synthetic sealants. Once any water or solvent carriers are gone and the wax has been buffed smooth, it is as hard and solid as it is going to be, no matter how much more time is given. "
 
3Dog- I sure didn't mean my response to be a flame and I apologize if you took it that way.



I wouldn't have thought that "Last Step" would make for any confusion but apparently it does :nixweiss
 
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