NozeBleedSpeed
Right Wing Conservative
Corey, I think youve been paying attention....
Is Zaino winning?
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Personally, I wish people would move on with the XYZ issues and old Autopia vs. new Autopia.
When Sal and I speak... sometimes frequently... we marvel at the discussions. We really can't believe people are having argument over "car wax!"
I created Autopia as a place for people to learn about car detailing and to enjoy the company of other car enthusiasts. This place was not created to have wars over what's best or worst. Yet, people want to be passionate about what the like (love!), and that's okay.
From 25 years working in the computer industry I have learned one very valuable lesson: No one ever stays on top forever. Those who continuously improve and develop have a better chance at having winning products. Those who remain hand-on with sales and marketing understand what their customers want. And that's why Zaino has a good following.
When Sal and I speak... sometimes frequently... we marvel at the discussions. We really can't believe people are having argument over "car wax!"
I created Autopia as a place for people to learn about car detailing and to enjoy the company of other car enthusiasts. This place was not created to have wars over what's best or worst. Yet, people want to be passionate about what the like (love!), and that's okay.
From 25 years working in the computer industry I have learned one very valuable lesson: No one ever stays on top forever. Those who continuously improve and develop have a better chance at having winning products. Those who remain hand-on with sales and marketing understand what their customers want. And that's why Zaino has a good following.
Glossmaster
New member
I think it's important to respect the views and opinions of everybody who takes the time to post on this forum, whether you agree with them or not. We all see things differently. There's no doubting the fact that "The times, they are a change'n". We now live in world of "all style & no substance". I might not agree with the "hey look at me" attitude so widely subscribed to , nowadays, but so what! To each his own! Just because some people are passionate about a product or process that differs from your own point of view, experience or belief, shouldn't prevent an open discussion.
wannafbody
wannafbody
I'll state my position again- I don't care what product someone uses wether its$7 TW ultra or $1500 Zymol. What aggravates me is the "Zaino Zealot" mentality and hype posts instead of factual,informative,critical,comparative reviews. the "this is the greatest stuff on earth posts" is neither informative or helpful for those looking for the correct product for their car.
Glossmaster
New member
And David.........You're the reason why Autopia has a great following! Well said!
wannafbody said:
What I'd say to this is learn to ask gentle questions. If someone posts "... XYZ is the best and everything else is..." then ask a good question.
When Sal tells me something like "... is the ONLY product that can..." I generally call him on it. I'm sorry, but no product line is perfect and not product line (well, very few...) are complete junk.
Hey, for years my favorite tire product was EO... I won't tell you what I think of their product line now that they sold out to big oil. When the lasy of my EO Concours Tire is gone, so is my use of any EO product... that does not mean that are bad products; they just don't do it for me.
Let's be sure to put things in perspective. Why do you like it? What does it do for you that is different or beneficial? What else have you used that you can compare it to? It's not about best and worst... it's about what works for YOU and WHY.
This community exists to share ideas and exchange information. It does not exist for people to prove they are right and others are wrong.
wannafbody said:
I was in the same boat as you but when I got a sincere offer from ZaneO to try Zaino, I figured I'd give it a shot. He wasn't pushing it hard and I know he uses other products as well. Zaino admirer but not a Zealot. I gave Zaino a shot and was suprised at how wet it looked. Not plasticky at all, more like the clearcoat was thicker. Of course, he sent me Z2 Pro so my observations are based on it and not the original version.
If durability is your main concern, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Zaino especially if you have a lighter colored car or if you live where winter weather makes regular waxing or sealing impossible for months at a time regardless of color. I was over at my brother's yesterday and was really pleased that not only did his Odyssey still look really good more than 4 months after AIO + Z2 Pro x 3, but there was noticable slickness. He says the beading is still pretty good too.
On non-metallic black paint, I will probably always prefer the carnauba look, just something about liquid depth on black that I can't seem to truly find with any standard sealant, although Wolfgang (which is formulated to mimic carnaubas) and EX w/carnauba come closer to the look I like. Appearance is subjective though and what looks good to me may not look as good to others.
I'm glad I put the attitude of the ZZ aside and tried Zaino. I moderate a detailing forum on another board and really couldn't answer questions about Zaino with firsthand knowledge. In addition, I discovered it was not nearly as difficult to apply as some people had made it out to be (you know, the threads with all the weird time consuming steps). I also discovered how good it really is.
I am also glad to hear that Z2 Pro is an improvement. That is a good thing for Zaino's competitors because they will realize they can't rest on their laurels either and will also strive to improve their product line. Clearkote and Poorboy's come to mind. Both have either added products or made changes to their existing product line and because of that, we all benefit. Competition will breed better products.
Corey Bit Spank
Active member
Well, David, I won't show you any disrespect since I am a guest on your board and you have done quite a service bringing detailing to everybody (and there ARE quite a few members that I do respect very much that post on here, zaino users and lovers included), but I'm checking out before I dig myself a grave.
Glossmaster
New member
Once again, Scottwax..........You are "Spot On!"
imported_Jinba ittai
New member
DavidB said:
As a newbie, I really do think you have accomplished this. Many of the posts I enjoy are not about the products themselves but about the application of the product. That is what interests me. I have gone and checked out the many informative articles on this website about how to detail my car and these have been incredibly helpful in just the past few weeks I've been detailing my car's new paint job.
As has been said here many times...You can have a $200 bottle of wax but if you don't put know how to use it then what good is it? I think that this forum really is educational in telling people the "hows and whys" as well as the "whats".
People being the human beings that they are will always have passionate viewpoints about things, be it who they voted for in the last election or what bottle of polish they like to use on their car. It's the way of the world and debates and battles always seem to happen on large and varied forums such as this one. I think you have created a wonderful, informative website and commend and thank you for it. Please keep up the good work! :xyxthumbs :bow
Corey Bit Spank said:Well, David, I won't show you any disrespect since I am a guest on your board and you have done quite a service bringing detailing to everybody (and there ARE quite a few members that I do respect very much that post on here, zaino users and lovers included), but I'm checking out before I dig myself a grave.
Corey,
It's quite alright to be critical of me and Autopia. I don't take critical comments as disrespect. In fact, many people who really care about this place take the time to write me and tell me what's wrong and how I'm screwing up. I have pretty thick skin (most of the time) and take it all in stride.
db
Bill D
Hooked For Life
DavidB said:
Yes! :clap:
I see the forum functioning at its best when this is kept in perspective.
DavidB said:Corey,
It's quite alright to be critical of me and Autopia. I don't take critical comments as disrespect. In fact, many people who really care about this place take the time to write me and tell me what's wrong and how I'm screwing up. I have pretty thick skin (most of the time) and take it all in stride.
Well, since you mentioned it...respond to the PMs and e-mail I have sent you regarding my MF bonnets. Been waiting for a response for three weeks, David.
Corey Bit Spank
Active member
In all honesty, David, the post was not meant to induce nostalgia. But I know my limits, I'm pretty close to them--it's time for me to take something else on in life, and leave this on a good note before becoming completely jaded by it, or like I said: become nasty.
DavidB said:
This is one of the rare instances where Zaino is being discussed and everyone is being very civil. Bravo Autopians!!!
I definetely agree with David's comment. No one stay on top forever. Honestly, I think Sal is a very smart businessman 1st and Chemist 2nd. He knows that he have very good product, but he dont stop there. Continually improving, adapting and trying to fullfill request ( I heard a Zaino paint Cleaner is coming out soon) is what makes Zaino (as a company) great.
Now i need to get my hands on the Z8
Wannafbody,
I think everyone's agreeing with you, and what NBS is saying that everyones' becoming more respectful of everyone elses experiences. Z guys aren't screaming "OMG Z R0X0RS!!!!!", and anti Z people aren't holding their ears and humming loudly. Non-Z users are thinking about ways to use it and make it better. I tried Z, and I like it; I like the slick feel that my paint still holds three weeks later.
"Z is winning" to me doesn't mean "Z is winning by replacing other products"; it means that Z is winning because more people are trying the product, and people are listening more to each other. It's slowly becoming a non-issue. And if you think about it, it must be very frustrating to be shunned for using a product, as many here have done to Z users.
I for one hope that is true. I usually skip the Z threads, but I opened this one because I usually always read what NBS has to say, even when I disagree with him I think he makes cogent points. I'm glad I opened this one.
EDIT: and in the time it took me to write that, the thread grew an entire page!
PEACE
Tom
I think everyone's agreeing with you, and what NBS is saying that everyones' becoming more respectful of everyone elses experiences. Z guys aren't screaming "OMG Z R0X0RS!!!!!", and anti Z people aren't holding their ears and humming loudly. Non-Z users are thinking about ways to use it and make it better. I tried Z, and I like it; I like the slick feel that my paint still holds three weeks later.
"Z is winning" to me doesn't mean "Z is winning by replacing other products"; it means that Z is winning because more people are trying the product, and people are listening more to each other. It's slowly becoming a non-issue. And if you think about it, it must be very frustrating to be shunned for using a product, as many here have done to Z users.
I for one hope that is true. I usually skip the Z threads, but I opened this one because I usually always read what NBS has to say, even when I disagree with him I think he makes cogent points. I'm glad I opened this one.
EDIT: and in the time it took me to write that, the thread grew an entire page!
PEACE
Tom
NozeBleedSpeed
Right Wing Conservative
cogent- following the rules of logic.
I had to look that one up Tom...
I had to look that one up Tom...
Mochamanz1
Sun Blinded Detailer
Corey Bit Spank said:
Your argument is very interesting, and your points are thought provoking. How would you improve the posting format if you could? I think the first thing I would do is to ask members to divest themselves of feelings of personal identification with products. Maybe we could request certain types of things to be considered and the results offered in the posts. I know that I tend to praise products without giving complete analysis of why I like the item. Some posts, in the past have irritated me due to the pure speculative nature of the content. Or, it is the bristling attitude, so inviting of argument which I worry about. Some posts , to the poster may seem objective, but thunder with opinion. We all need to purge personal feelings out of our posts,IMHO. Great post !