EXTREME ENOUGH turning 16 yrs old Charcoal paint to Mirror Finish, newbie on rotary

[Chuckmotor]

A couple of my friends tell me that they use Meguair's Cleaner Wax often. They say it hides all the scratches. One of these guys has a black car, as do I, and he says the Cleaner Wax makes the car look great. I was wondering if any of you guys new anything about this stuff. Is it safe? How is it different from a polish? Does it last? Will it work?

 

[JasonC8301]

I am assuming its the burgundy consumer cleaner wax from meguiars? The can or bottle from K-mart, Wall-mart, target type stores?



If so I have a 32 oz. bottle of that stuff. It cleans decent and leaves a shine that lasts for 3-4 weeks.



I guess Klasse All-In-One would be *like* the cleaner wax, but Klasse leaves a better shine IMHO and leaves more protection.



Meguiars also makes a professional cleaner wax #6 I think. I have no experience with that cleaner/wax.



The Meguiars will work with proper technqiue, but don't expect miracles. Meguiars use the term polish loosely (sp?). The cleaner/wax is probably a glaze/wax. It will cover up swirls, clean the paint a little, then lay down some protection. Expect to apply once a month. AGAIN don't expect exceptional results. Its an ok wax for the average Joe, but the cleaner wax does not live up to Autopian standards.



Jason

 

[imported_Intermezzo]

Do they all work for Meguiar's? hehe, just kidding.



A cleaner is a product with cleaning agents (via solvents or abrasives or both) that will, depending on its strength, remove surface defects, swirls, stains, etc. Meguiar's cleaner wax is a combination type of product that has some cleaning ability and also lays on a coats of protective wax. If used properly (and also depending on the condition of your car surface), it could significantly improve the appearance of your car as well as provide some protection from the elements.

 

[YoSteve]

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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Chuckmotor [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>A couple of my friends tell me that they use Meguair's Cleaner Wax often. [/b]</blockquote>
Yeah chuck they must use it often because it only lasts a few weeks . I Klasse twice a year period. It seems like a more worthwhile investment for something that works better, looks better, and lasts longer.

Also most of us agree that you shouldn't use a cleaner wax that often, so if your friend is using it say monthly, it may wear down his clearcoat over an extended time, IMO.

 

[Scottwax]

I agree with Steve. Cleaner Wax is fine for a quickie wax just before you sell your car, but it isn't something I would use very often. In fact, I wouldn't use any of the Meguiars waxes in burgandy bottles. Either use their Mirror Glaze or Body Shop Professional lines.



Cleaner Wax has mild abrasives and can make your paint look better quickly, but IMO, it is better to use a two step process-a seperate polish and wax. It may take a little longer, but the results are worth it.

 

[Bob Post]

any type of cleaner wax as it's kinda hard to "clean" a surface then "wax" it at the same time. Cleaners are made to remove surface dirt and wax also and is a double-negative. Those products are made for the general consumer (which there are not many of here) and don't last long or perform very well. I would use the products sold at CMA, and use polymer's.

 

[Chuckmotor]

I had assumed as much, but being only a beginner (but rapidly getting as obsessed as the rest of you!!), I don't know too much. I'm learning! I have a question relating to wax preperation: if my car has some minor scratches on it, would it be sufficient for me to wash, clay, then use Meguair<span class='bbc_underline'>S #2, then wax? Since my car is a 1992, I have some minor swirls, some haze, and little knicks and cuts all over the driver's side, especially. Should I use anything in addition to #2, say #7, of which I already have a bottle? Or is the #2 enough?

 

[Scottwax]

Chuck-you might want to go to Meguiars website www.meguiars.com and see if there is a local distributer near you that stocks their Professional Body Shop line. Dual Action Cleaner/Polish is far superior to #2 Fine Cut Cleaner. The abrasives are buffered so the cleaner quickly turns to a polish and is much gentler on the paint, while still removing some pretty tough defects.

If you cannot get Dual Action, the #2 is fine, but you definately should follow it with Swirl Remover #9 then Show Car Glaze #7 for the best results. With Dual Action, you can probably skip the Swirl Remover and go directly to #7 (or from the Body Shop line, Hand Polish).

Once the surface is properly prepped, then use the wax of your choice. You won't get a general concensus here-Klasse, Zaino, Meguiars, 3M, Pinnacle, PS212, etc are all highly rated waxes. You might want to go to www.thewaxtest.com and look over their results-try a few of the high performing waxes and decide which one you prefer.

 

[Chuckmotor]

If I use the Dual Action Cleaner/Polish, would I then need to use the #7 polish, or does the dual action do what it says and polish?

 

[imported_doug]

I have some of the dual- action c/p. I tried it a while back, and I felt it left orbital-pattern scratches on my car. HOWEVER that was before I understood how to use a diminishing abrasive product with the orbital. DA-CP is such a product. You must work it a long time. It has to get sort of dry and maybe even a little warm under the pad so that the coarser starting grit that does the cleaning breaks down into much finer abrasive that cleans up after the coarse stuff and polishes that stuff out.



I now know that this is the secret to success with FI-II, 3M SMR, Meguiar's Swirl remover 2.0 (although the latter is much more forgiving because it has more fillers). I'm willing to bet that the DA-CP works pretty well if you give it this chance. One'a'these days I'm going to try it again.



By the way, on finding Meguiar's "professional body shop" line (AND 3M's commercial stuff) - try to find the paint house that supplies all the auto body shops in your area. In my area (San Francisco Peninsula) it is "San Carlos Paint". In an industrial section, but they have ALL this stuff.

 

[Lone Wolf]

#9 Swirl Remover or the Dual Action Polish?? My wifes car is a white 1995 Contour with lots of swirl marks..nothing to serious. When I get my PC

7424 I was thinking about using Swirl remover-show car glaze--Blitz..Would this be a good combo??



LW

 

[Scottwax]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Lone Wolf [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>#9 Swirl Remover or the Dual Action Polish?? My wifes car is a white 1995 Contour with lots of swirl marks..nothing to serious. When I get my PC
7424 I was thinking about using Swirl remover-show car glaze--Blitz..Would this be a good combo??

LW [/b]</blockquote>
Start with #9 first and see if it removes the swirls. If not, then jump up to Dual Action. Like carguy says, you really have to work it until it looks nearly clear and dry.

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Chuck-I would follow any paint cleaner with a glaze or light polish-it adds extra oil Dual Action doesn't, and the abrasive is even finer than what Dual Action breaks down to.

 

[mx5]

Scottwax and carguy,

Meguiars sells online now, so anything you can't find in your area or at CMA you can order through them.

 

[YoSteve]

ZV, a few of my friends and family members use AIO only on their car. They do it twice a year and it looks great all year long. Klasse All In One, does a good job a cleaning but it does set up a good coat of acrylic sealant that shines and protect.

 

[Chuckmotor]

Is the Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner from Meguiars any good? If I can't get a hold of the Dual Action stuff, will the Premium Paint Cleaner help (followed by a polish, of course)? These scratches in my black car are bugging me!!

 

[Scottwax]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote' >

<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Chuckmotor [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Is the Medallion Premium Paint Cleaner from Meguiars any good? If I can't get a hold of the Dual Action stuff, will the Premium Paint Cleaner help (followed by a polish, of course)? These scratches in my black car are bugging me!! [/b]</blockquote>
It is pretty good stuff-I'd say the cleaning power is between Dual Action and Swirl Remover. It isn't real aggressive, but you want to start out with mild polishes before moving on to the stronger stuff. You want to remove the least amount of material necessary to correct the defects.

 

[kc's]

I had the opportunity to witness another 'believe it or not' episode

One of the New Makita owner..
Please do not believe anything you are about to see
cos it will distort your logical mind & alter your thought & effect you emotions

Initially i dont believe either...but after seeing what i saw .....how this Newbie on Rotary - Extreme Kaw kaw Extreme make over........

KAW KAW AKA MEANS EXTREME

only a day before i have had a close encounters, the 11 hours correction on the 8 months old E90 , I could hardly lift up both my arms & shoulder, as it is as stiff as a concrete??but detailing who can resist?.

Instead of FLEE-ing ?I flew to the crime scene?.. one of which my buddy who got a new rotary & he started correcting his wife 16 years old oxidized car paint??the car is so oxidized that the owner...refuses to wash...but the loving hubby does all detailing, and it is out of his love for his wife, he bought himself a rotary & starting correcting...paint work

Let me share with you more?if you would please

Remember how lighting plays a big part in Car Detailing , as most cars defect only been seen from a strong lighting, what professional detailer want is to imitate Sun light but without the heat, as you need a cooling surface to work your compound & polishes.

Bette Midler : From A Distance Lyrics
From a distance the world looks blue and green,
and the snow-capped mountains white.
From a distance the ocean meets the stream,
and the eagle takes to flight.

Look good?.but?.hold thy fort & horses

Can you distinguish from just light or strong halogen light

Did you notice the effect???

Have you not seen? Have you not heard?

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Magically change the mood in your room through our lighting tips and ideas,
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But does it work for car detailing?what you cant see, you cant correct

Have a bright & clearer day

Menu for the day:-

WASH Osren bubble wash premixes with MPC 3 microfibres cloths

Clay with mild clay

wash wash again dry by 3 microfibres cloths

Correction work......

ROTARY whole car - Meguiars # 105 & wool x 2pases & more followup passes with LC wool followed by Meg cutting pad x 2 passes

ROTARY & Meguiars # 205 with Meguiars polishing pad

the 50/50 % area set.....

ready
get set
Bang!!!! Go

as there is always darkness before dawn

before

coming

coming

After Megs 105 with LC CCS Cuttinf pad?very impressive outcome

Look at the restored side, & the oxidize paint look like a racing stripes

impressive restorations

extreme close up Racing stripes?.

you may also see the paint chipped, perhaps by stones at high speed!!!!!

the unfinish work

M105 Megs LC CCS Cutting pad?.is not as aggressive than the wool cutting strength

the finish side of wool

look at the side left panel not corrected?& compare with the hood now

NOW SEE THE DIFFERENT

the most extreme make over, close up Picture

 

[kc's]

Look at the 50/50% comparison before & after

the champion of of the champion

Another Matt vinyl Sticker

the finish but not complete pic

Kindly look at what you saw just?...Halogram


The good , Bad & the ugly???.

but now

do u see what you just saw? Hint for the second time

50/50%

look at the night

look at the mirror finish from Oxidized

Twinkle twinkle little star

2 more passes to eliminate Hologram
?.And more oxidation

the master hand

* more pic deleted as was to protect the identity of the owner


TA da

Ta da again

but can u distinguish the defect from this kinda lighting???

or this lighting???

can you view from this light
Is there any definitions???
dont be taken for a joy ride, if anyone that claims, it is good, as you do not see the bigger & brighter picture

as it takes a cobler to know his tools

Can this from this kinda lighting???

or this

DEFINITIONS IS SPELLED

picture before

ta da

finishing pic

would u now believe what it seems to be impossible became possible

the next mountain ?another peak to conquer

thanks for viewing

I marvel at this, young apprentice....& at the level of correction done only with such a little knowledge & experiences as he allows his loves driven him far above & away the impossible

The Taj Mahal is a mausoleum located in Agra, India, built by Mughal emperor Shah Jahan in memory & love for his wife

this thread special written on behalf of the owner tight & busy schedule

& I am dedicating to all the lovers who is viewing this thread

Cheers to all the great Hero out there
:worship

 

[imported_gewb]

Wow, who would have believed that finish could be brought back to life like that. How long did he work on that car?

Regards,
GEWB

 

[bmw5541]

That is very impressive work that your buddy did KC:clap:

I hope his wife appreciates all work that went into the restoration.