water based dressings
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togwt
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Silicone has some good and even necessary traits that enhance rubber, plastic and vinyl, at least when it’s the “good silicone�, Poly Dimethyl Siloxane or PDMS for short. It’s water-based, dries to a non-oily hard surface, and doesn’t migrate the plasticizers from the material, less absorption of UV rays and non-dust attracting. Good attributes, The PDMS silicones tend to be more expensive.
togwt
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Q; As I've just started using Megs W Dressing which I believe is water based (as opposed to S Dressing which I think is silicone based) I'll check tonight and report its contents.
A: In spite of the ability to re-distil and remove any harmful components this is rarely down in the automotive industry, the one exception I know to this is Meguiar’s. To group all petroleum distillates into one category and label them harmful or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
Q: Good replies. The reason I'm asking is because 303 states that they have no silicones and no petroleum diss in their product, (not even the good kind) which is water based. I was just wondering if all similar type water based products are the same way?
A: Usually if a product states that it’s water based then there are no PD or Silicones in it, but check with MSDS or Manufacturer to be certain.
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Q; As I've just started using Megs W Dressing which I believe is water based (as opposed to S Dressing which I think is silicone based) I'll check tonight and report its contents.
A: In spite of the ability to re-distil and remove any harmful components this is rarely down in the automotive industry, the one exception I know to this is Meguiar’s. To group all petroleum distillates into one category and label them harmful or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
Q: Good replies. The reason I'm asking is because 303 states that they have no silicones and no petroleum diss in their product, (not even the good kind) which is water based. I was just wondering if all similar type water based products are the same way?
A: Usually if a product states that it’s water based then there are no PD or Silicones in it, but check with MSDS or Manufacturer to be certain.
~ Hope this helps ~
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justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
togwt
The Old Grey Whistle Test
~One man’s opinion / observations ~
I dug this up from some old notes (might help and / or confuse you further)
Dressings:
Water-Based dressings: (usually a milky-white liquid) do not contain silicone oils, petroleum distillates, waxes, or solvents that can harm rubber and / or vinyl over time. Most water-based dressings use a combination of natural oils to offer a non-greasy, satin finish. Most of these products also contain UV blocking agents to help keep tires from cracking, fading and hardening. Most, if not all water-based dressings are biodegradable, whereas Silicone is not.
Some silicone-based dressings (usually a clear greasy liquid) contain petroleum distillates as a cleaning agent.
The difference is in the carrier system used. Solvent based products use a hydrocarbon solvent to suspend the product. When you apply it, the solvent evaporates leaving the dressing's active ingredients (Silicone oil) behind. Most bottles have a warning that they contain Petroleum Distillates (manufactures are required by law to have a chemical warning on the bottles and / or provide an MSDS)
In conclusion, to group all silicones into one category and label them harmful, environmentally unsound and/or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
~ Hope this helps ~
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justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
I dug this up from some old notes (might help and / or confuse you further)
Dressings:
Water-Based dressings: (usually a milky-white liquid) do not contain silicone oils, petroleum distillates, waxes, or solvents that can harm rubber and / or vinyl over time. Most water-based dressings use a combination of natural oils to offer a non-greasy, satin finish. Most of these products also contain UV blocking agents to help keep tires from cracking, fading and hardening. Most, if not all water-based dressings are biodegradable, whereas Silicone is not.
Some silicone-based dressings (usually a clear greasy liquid) contain petroleum distillates as a cleaning agent.
The difference is in the carrier system used. Solvent based products use a hydrocarbon solvent to suspend the product. When you apply it, the solvent evaporates leaving the dressing's active ingredients (Silicone oil) behind. Most bottles have a warning that they contain Petroleum Distillates (manufactures are required by law to have a chemical warning on the bottles and / or provide an MSDS)
In conclusion, to group all silicones into one category and label them harmful, environmentally unsound and/or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.
~ Hope this helps ~
Experience unshared; is knowledge wasted…/
justadumbarchitect * so i question everything*
TOGWT said:
Just to say that I agree with the fact that we all should check the msds and with the maker of each product. I just called meguiars about their s-dressing and their w-dressing in their professional line. Guess what? Both have silicones in them. (even the water based one)
Now, I have not checked the msds as to what type of silicones they have, so DON'T think I'm saying these dressings are bad, but this just goes to show that even though a product says it's water based it might have silicone in it. Also, I called the makers of eagle one and asked them about some of their pro-detailing products. They make 2 water based dressings. One is called maxgloss and the other is called water based dressing. These also have silicone in them and they claim to be water based. Now, I also have not yet checked the msds sheets on these to see if these have the good or the bad silicones. Bottom line I wanted to get across to people is that silicones can still be in a water based product.
4DSC said:You guys really need to do a search for the acronym "PDMS" in the Archives.
It's impossible that 303 not have any "silicones" in it, and yes, it's possible to have a silicone, water-based product.
Oh? Then why when I called 303 directly and asked Roger about 303 having silicones, he said no silicones/pd's in 303.