Sonus Gray Clay Bar

ptim

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After using it on two different vehicles, I noticed that my Sonus Gray Clay Bar has caused scratches. The first time, I blamed it on improper cleaning. But after the second time, I know what’s causing it. I used it with plenty of Megs QD. I also have some of the Green Ultra fine Clay, I'm not sure if it will cause the same problems. I have never experienced this with any other clay.
 
It is a medium clay that can scratch some softer paint and will require a polish afterwards.
 
ptim said:
After using it on two different vehicles, I noticed that my Sonus Gray Clay Bar has caused scratches. The first time, I blamed it on improper cleaning. But after the second time, I know what’s causing it. I used it with plenty of Megs QD. I also have some of the Green Ultra fine Clay, I'm not sure if it will cause the same problems. I have never experienced this with any other clay.





Having used earlier versions of Sonus gray, I always thought people who said that were doing something wrong. I even bought all of RAG's Sonus gray off him as I'd never had a problem with it. But then I used a bar of what RAG sent me and....



Yeah, the current version of Sonus gray (v3.0 IRRC) *can* mar paint, even pretty hard clear...it sure marred up my '97 M3, only time I've had marring like this from claying and I've been claying since "detailing" clay came out around 1990.



The last reformulation of the Sonus gray changed it to a more aggressive product, so you gotta be careful with it and be prepared to do some polishing. It sure works great for aggressive claying though, cleans up the back sides of wheels very well.



There *are* clays that won't mar, and I use those for jobs that don't require the bite of the Sonus gray but do require more aggressiveness than offered by the Sonus green.



The Sonus *green* Ultra-Fine absolutely will not mar automotive paint, even soft lacquer, if it's used correctly.
 
It caused a great deal of scratching and marring on my gf's tC. The tC is known however to have very soft paint.



I am particular now when using the Sonus gray clay. ;)
 
If you have a problem with the Sonus clay take it up with Davidb this bashing of Sonus is not good at all.. I look for the MODS to delete this thread now !!!!
 
I used it twice. The first time, in my black car and it marred the paint, wich is normal hardness. Today I clayed with it a harder paint from a grey Audi A8 and it didn't marr the paint. I'll use it just in the case that I polish after claying.
 
57 wax said:
If you have a problem with the Sonus clay take it up with Davidb this bashing of Sonus is not good at all.. I look for the MODS to delete this thread now !!!!



It's a discussion forum, relax guy. So one Sonus product needs a little reworking, big deal. The world will still go on. :idea
 
57 wax said:
If you have a problem with the Sonus clay take it up with Davidb this bashing of Sonus is not good at all.. I look for the MODS to delete this thread now !!!!

It's not a secret, it's been discussed before. IMO there is nothing in this thread that would cause it to be deleted.



And no one is really bashing the clay. Just giving an FYI that it is not a mild clay so use caution on certain finishes.



The beauty of Autopia is we discuss products and their performance openly. When something is noticed with a product it's mentioned and discussed not hidden away by the mods. :clap:
 
57 wax said:
If you have a problem with the Sonus clay take it up with Davidb this bashing of Sonus is not good at all.. I look for the MODS to delete this thread now !!!!



It was'nt my intention to bash anything, I was just stating my experience with the product. I learned from these posts that this clay isn't for me. Just like all polishes and waxes aren't for me or anybody else.
 
I hope my posts about marring with the Sonus gray don't come across as bashing, as IMO that's like saying "hey, this H-T EC left micromarring!"...it's not a bash, just an observation that somebody might benefit from.



I *have* discussed this with DavidB (before I posted anything) as I was so concerned that I wondered if a bad batch of clay had slipped through. Nope, it was a deliberate reformulation designed to make the clay more effective at what it's made for, it's fairly aggressive clay.



If *I* commissioned a batch of clay, I'd have it made less aggressive, like the previous version..but I'm not in the detailing products business so I have to have a few different ones on hand to cover all the bases. Nothing inherently *wrong* with any of them, they're just different.



maesal-That's interesting about the A8, thanks for posting it! I've been leery of using this version of Sonus gray on our Audis for fear of marring. Interesting that it marred up my BMW so badly as I'm finding its clear to be about as hard as the Audis' :nixweiss Maybe small differences in hardness are enough to make *all* the difference.



I agree, it's best to use this stuff when you're gonna polish anyhow.
 
Dont pay attention to him, he has done nothing but contribute worthless posts this board and needs to be banned(see his other posts lol). As far as marring, the gray clay is an aggressive clay and all aggressive clay will leave slight marring that needs to be polished out correct? How does this compare to the red clay magic clay? I would imagine they should both be reserved for taking off stuff that the green/blue versions would take forever to remove.
 
Hondaph00l- I've never used the Claymagic red (or the Meg's overspray clay), but I'd expect them to be a good bit more aggressive than the Sonus gray. Most people who use Claymagic are very happy with how their regular clay works.
 
It is a bit of a mystery to me how something that glides on surface can cause marring :nixweiss



If you have the surfaced lubed properly should the clay ever mar?
 
Malachi said:
It is a bit of a mystery to me how something that glides on surface can cause marring :nixweiss



If you have the surfaced lubed properly should the clay ever mar?



Heh heh, I've lost count of the times I've posted those same sentiments...and until I marred up the M3 I would've said that proper claying with detailing (as opposed to overspray) clays won't do it. But it did, so I've had to change my tune.



No, it didn't mar every bit of paint that I clayed, but it did mar most of it. Only time I've had marring from clay in over 15 years. Aggressive clay can do it more readily than I ever expected. I dunno if I could clay with it without marring (now that I know how it behaves I'd be evn more careful/gentle) but I'm not about to find out when I have other clays I can use when I don't plan to polish.
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh, I've lost count of the times I've posted those same sentiments...and until I marred up the M3 I would've said that proper claying with detailing (as opposed to overspray) clays won't do it. But it did, so I've had to change my tune.



No, it didn't mar every bit of paint that I clayed, but it did mar most of it. Only time I've had marring from clay in over 15 years. Aggressive clay can do it more readily than I ever expected. I dunno if I could clay with it without marring (now that I know how it behaves I'd be evn more careful/gentle) but I'm not about to find out when I have other clays I can use when I don't plan to polish.



Please everybody, I didn't mean it as being "holier than thou" I meant it as a question to those who understand clay better than I. I haved used various clays and the one that worked best for me was Mequiar's C-2100 which is called "Aggresive", so, I can't help but wonder what is it that I don't understand about clay.



Accumulator, did you come up with a theory of why after 15 years it happened to you?



Maybe a PM would be more respectful to the original subject matter...
 
Malachi- Nah, I'd rather discuss this one right out in the open. Given my direct discussions with DavidB about the current version of Sonus gray I'm utterly confident that there's nothing out of line with this thread and my observations about how it behaved for me seem relevant to the original poster's topic; he and I had identical experiences.



And you don't sound a bit holier-than-thou to me ;)



I think it's just risky to compare seemingly similar clays (though I'm the guy who says Mother's and Griot's are the same). If the Meg's works OK for you then I'd stick with it. then if you need something with special characteristics (milder so it won't strip LSP, stronger to remove something tenacious), you can always get something different that's just right for that job- and for those times I'd go with the two Sonus clays.



I think what happened with the Sonus gray on the M3 was that I assumed (always risky, that :o ) that it would be like all the other clays I've used, specifically, like the previous version of Sonus gray. Plus, this car had never been clayed in its ten years, so I was admittedly being somewhat aggressive. The combination of more aggressive clay, more aggressive use, unknown paint, and *NOT CHECKING MY WORK PROPERLY* added up to a lot of marring. Not severe marring by any means, came right out, but still it's something I hadn't experienced before. I immediately put an end to using that clay on the vehicles I'm doing these days and have since used it (with great results) on the back sides of some wheels. I wouldn't hesitate to use it on a vehicle that needed it and was gonna get polished anyhow. But if I didn't want to risk the marring I'd use another clay instead.



Note that since I did *not* get marring on every bit of paint that I clayed, it must be possible to clay with the Sonus gray without marring (at least on hard paint). But you can't just no-brainer it the way you can with so many clays...noting that my definition of "no brainer" is probably quite different from some people's ;)
 
Accumulator said:
If the Meg's works OK for you then I'd stick with it. then if you need something with special characteristics (milder so it won't strip LSP, stronger to remove something tenacious), you can always get something different that's just right for that job- and for those times I'd go with the two Sonus clays.



Thanks Accululator for the entire response.



Can I derive from the quote above that the milder Sonus clay will not stip LSPs?
 
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