rear seat headrest neglected. Leather coating stiff and dried out.

pman626

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I have tinted windows, but still, after 9 years of disuse, the back of the rear headrest exposed to the most sunlight has become stiff.

The leather seems supple enough, but the urethane coating has acquired a bumpy texture, in contrast to the smooth leather on the rest of the headrest.



This seems to be impossible to restore. A wet rag placed on it overnight has had no effect.



Seems like the vinyl coating is sun damaged beyond repair.

If I massage the leather, the damaged part seems to be detached from the hide.



Take a look at the pics. See that bumpy texture at the top half of the backside....

What do you think ?

Could regular maintenance with Lexol have prevented this?





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pman626 said:
This seems to be impossible to restore. A wet rag placed on it overnight has had no effect.





It seems like it’s the finish permeability issue; but then, the fatliquor (fat, oil & water) from below finish surface must have also evaporates through this same surface as well.



Perhaps it’s the micron size and time that makes the different through this finish; the fatliquor evaporates as VOC in gases form slowly versus water molecule trying to soak in quickly in a hurry.



I suggest a “wetter than water” leather-safe hydrator would probably overcome this permeability issue worth trying.



Advance technique utilize layers of facial tissue acting as reservoir to hold this wetter than water hydrator and allowing nature to do its own work.



Evaporation control is done with transparent cling wrapper to ensure that the hydrator only goes one way through the finish into the fibrous leather structure below.



Time is also another factor for consideration, remember that it takes 9 years to come to this situation, so be generous with dwell time even up to 72hrs will produce reasonable result.



If this proposes leather hydrating is accomplishable, this leather can be fatliquor replenished thereafter to be as soft as you wish.





Roger Koh

info@leatherdoctor.com
 
can lexol's oily residue be used as a sacrificial layer against sunlight, as car wax is to paint ?

I know that some people have used lexol for 10+ years to keep their leather+coating soft and smooth.





and the take home lesson for all toyota and lexus owners- use at least some kind of protectant on your vinyl coated leather !
 
Like all detailing task’s the correct surface preparation prior to the application of the pigmentation (colour) will ensure that it adheres correctly, and has both durability and aesthetics. Use a safe degreaser to ensure any oil and grease free surface (Leather Masters™ Leather Degreaser) this aerosol product is ideal for cleaning as it dissolves the oils and transforms them into a powder that is more absorbent than the leather. This powder is what is wiped off, cleaning and degreasing the leather. Allow the white powder to dry fully. If the powder is drying to a yellow colour, it means that there are still a lot of oils on the leather.



And then use a safe solvent cleaner
(Leather Magic DT-152 or Leather Master Color Prep & Cleaner) these chemical is formulated from several types of alcohol and milder based solvents and is used primarily to prepare the surface of leather for repair or pigmentation application. It will remove all dressings, protectants, waxes and oils from the surface, but more importantly, it will strip off the top most layer of the finish, which cleans the surface so that it is receptive to the application of repair and colorant materials. This also creates a permanent bonding of the materials to the leather.



The solvent should be sprayed lightly over the surface, and then by using a medium soft upholstery brush will ensure any ingrained soiling is effectively removed prior to application and to ensure proper product adhesion. Using a cotton terry cloth towel, immediately wipe dry. This will thoroughly remove any foreign matter found on the surface of the leather; mild solvents also work as an excellent de greaser. After letting the solvent dry off for a few hours the area should be lightly sanded over, this will remove any cracks in the surface coating.



Use painter’s tape and/or masking paper around anything that doesn’t require pigmentation applied
To ensure adhesion lightly sand areas to be re-coloured by using an abrasive (Scotchbrite 7447 - Maroon pad, General Purpose Hand - 320-400 grit) You’ll need to break down approximately 25µ (1 mil) of the surface, this is important so the new leather dye can ‘key’ into the finished leather and look natural. Be consistent in how far you remove the pigmentation, it is not necessary to completely remove the pigmentation that is sitting on the leather surface. Remove dust with a tack rag or damp micro fibre towel.



(DT-173) Overspray Remover is used to remove any water- based colour coat from unwanted areas without causing any damage or discoloration to the area to which it is applied. May also be used to remove Latex or other water-based products; for use on finished leather, vinyl, plastics and cloth.



Swissvax Leather Healer is an easy-to-apply leather pigment (dye) comprising a high number of super fine pigments combining best results with a minimum thickness pigment application so that the look and feel of the leather is not affected as it is the case with many other leather pigment. . The Swissvax dye is easily applied with a small sponge and sets automatically and permanently.



Swisswax Leather Glaze- (finished leather top coating)







An extract from "Automotive Leather Upholstery Repair / Renovation" - TOGWT
 
pman626 said:
can lexol's oily residue be used as a sacrificial layer against sunlight, as car wax is to paint ?





The answer is NO, from the below testing.



On the contrary it does more permanent damages to the finishes on this heavy urethane finish.



I believe if this leather was a lighter color, the damages will be more dramatic (see the yellow stains on the green tape).



This experiment or testing was done last year in the summer months with a range of other popular conditioners.



Roger Koh

info@leatherdoctor.com







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Hi Roger,



Thank you!!



This is my first post to Autopia as I've been a lurker for a few years and your post(s) about leather have finally got me to come out. I occasionally post on detailingbliss.



I have a couple of cars with old leather (80s vintage) that have dried out despite my best efforts to combat it. I've tried them all - leatherique, lexol, leather masters. My favorite is a strangely market softener originally developed for garments from a company called URAD called "Tenderly". Although even that doesn't do the job of penetrating past the top coat. I've watched as a couple of awesome seats have developed splits at seams that will require new skin.



I've been pretty disgusted with the whole "leather care" business. All adjectives and fuzzy warm prose and no science. Your post has inspired me to try again.



If it isn't too much trouble, can you elaborate more on two subjects:



1) Wetter than Water hydrator

What is it? How to get it?



2) fatliquor replenishing

How it is done? Products?



It's one thing to keep a set of skins maintained since new and I've seen great results with a disciplined standard treatment regiment with many products. But to bring back seats that have been neglected is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish!



Thanks again for addressing a subject which has gotten virtually zero serious attention as far as I've been able to find. And I've looked - from every detailing site to manufacturer's sites to the Smithsonian and other groups that seek to preserve historical artifacts.
 
Peugeot said:
Hi Roger,

I've been pretty disgusted with the whole "leather care" business. All adjectives and fuzzy warm prose and no science. Your post has inspired me to try again.



If it isn't too much trouble, can you elaborate more on two subjects:



1) Wetter than Water hydrator

What is it? How to get it?



2) fatliquor replenishing

How it is done? Products?



It's one thing to keep a set of skins maintained since new and I've seen great results with a disciplined standard treatment regiment with many products. But to bring back seats that have been neglected is a whole 'nuther kettle of fish!



Thanks again for addressing a subject which has gotten virtually zero serious attention as far as I've been able to find. And I've looked - from every detailing site to manufacturer's sites to the Smithsonian and other groups that seek to preserve historical artifacts.







Thank you for your interest in the science and logic of leather softening. This is one of the 21th Century technical breakthroughs in leather care. Bringing you back to the principle practice by modern tannery with the same result – if leather is able to be hydrated, it will be able to be fatliquor replenished to as soft as you wish.





“Wetter than Water” – It’s to Ease Away the Interfacial Tension:

When water or liquid is applied onto the surface of the leather; there is this interfacial tension between the liquid and the surface of the leather.

Pure water when dropped onto average smooth leather surface will see that it pools or even rolls on the surface and eventually evaporates or otherwise takes a long time to eventually seep through the surface.

Compare it when a “wetter than water” hydrator is dropped onto the same surface, it will immediately spread out and seep through the surface much quicker, otherwise spread out on non-absorbent surface.

It is this surface active agent in the hydrator that does this penetrating work; the characteristic of a hydrator for being “wetter than water”.

The foam we see in the bottle when shaken up is all the power of “wetness” derived.

Water used as a conditioner to soften leather during the staking process in a modern fast paced tannery is of this category of “wetter than water” water too.





“Wetter than Water” – It’s acidic with a pH Value of 3.3:

All water based solution would have a pH reading when read with a pH meter or litmus paper.

This water based leather-safe hydrator is calibrated to pH 3.3 that falls in line with the lower end of the leather neutral pH range of 3 to 5.





“Wetter than Water” – It’s Leather-Safe:

Leather is in fact a compound material; its protein fiber can hold up to 30% of other related leather chemistry.

The stability of the leather depends on the protein fibers that have the tendency to shift poles from positive to negative.

Leather protein fibers when acidified below its isoelectric point cationized positive (+).

While the other leather constituents including the fatliquor remains constantly anionic negative (-).

Thus the molecular hydrogen bonding takes place like the principle of magnet or electrostatic painting, unlike poles attracts.

The reverse takes place when the protein fibers slowly shift negative (-), with influence from any alkaline solution above its isoelectric point averaging at pH 4.

So water at pH 7 becomes a negative influence for the leather, that’s why water damage resulted in stiffness when dry; the cause is the leaching out of fatliquor that breaks the hydrogen-bonding with the leather protein fiber.

The above explains why water is bad to condition leather; the culprit is in its pH value that causes shifting of poles.

All purpose cleaners used for leather cleaning damages leather fibrous structure through stitching holes, micro-cracks and perforation and these are the places that starts to fail; where round holes becomes elongated and start to split through the finish as well.

In such situation a pH 2.0 acidifier is further used to rectify the alkaline overexposure prior to hydrating at pH 3.3 to stabilize the protein fiber positive (+).





“Wetter than Water” – It’s Purpose of Usage:

It’s for lowering the interfacial tension between the protein leather fibers and its constituents.

It’s for hydrating dried, stiffed or shrunk leathers to separates the crushed, stick together fibrils and relaxes them in the inter-fibrillary leather structure for effective distribution of the Fatliquor-5.0.

It’s for charging the leather protein fibers below its iso-electric point positive to hydrogen-bond with the ionic negative charged Fatliquor-5.0.

It’s for facilitating colloidal water movement within the leather structure during the wicking process to move soiling particulates to the surface.

It’s for reactivating the dormant dyestuff to resurface thus reducing the contrast between the color coat and the leather crust.

It’s for reducing the interfacial tension to eliminate blotchiness when dry especially absorbent leathers.

It’s for facilitating better finish penetration during refinishing thus providing good surface properties, especially the uniformity of surface dyeing during aniline refinishing.









Fatliquor – What is it?

Fatliquor-5.0 is an anionic negative (-) charged micro emulsion derived from specially selected fat and oil that gives a milky appearance similar to fresh milk.

It is water based where the ionic fat and oil are encased in a molecule of water.

The average molecule of oil is usually larger than water; in this case it is reversed where the molecule of fat and oil is reduced into such size that it is encased by the water molecule.

The average fatliquoring process in the tannery takes place at an average temperature of 125 degrees Fahrenheit for the fat and oil to remain stabilized as an emulsion.

While else the fatliquor in a bottle stabilize at room temperature, chilled from the fridge and still looks like fresh milk without separating its fat and oil from the water like other outdated conditioner.

The ability for the fat, oil and water to stay intact prior to penetrating the inter-fibrillary leather structure is of prime characteristic of a fatliquor; it is only on contact with the positive charged protein fibers that the encasing water is break free.

The fat plumps the leather with fullness; the oil lubricates the individual fibrils like inter-connecting hinges allowing the sliding over of one another smoothly when the leather is compressed and stretched when flexed.

The principle of fatliquoring is the same whether it’s, the first time in tannery or second time in the retanning or the third time to fatliquor replenishing it on finished leather goods.

The whole idea is to distribute a very small amount of fat and oil over a very large surface area of the leather fibrils that acts as interconnecting hinges to give suppleness to the leather.

This would include the reverse suede sides, so a product that cautions on suede logically is or was never used to soften leather in the first place.





Fatliquor Replenishing – How is it done?

It’s done in conjunction with the hydrating process, unless the leather structure is able to be plump with hydration; it is futile to fatliquor it.

It is done the non-immersion method by spraying and spreading with a foam brush; unlike the first or second time in the tannery drum immersion method.

It is recommended to be done after successful hydrating while the leather is damp for the simple reason to have an even distribution of the fatliquor to the entire leather fibrous structure.

Advance technique utilizes facial tissue paper acting as reservoir to hold both the hydrator and the fatliquor in similar fashion for the slow absorption through the non-absorbent leather finishes.

Transparent plastic cling wrapper is also used to control evaporation, smaller items can be put is zip lock bag or plastic containers for similar reason.

Unlike hydrating which is one way for the hydrator to plumps the leather; in fatliquor replenishing the technique is to allow the water to evaporate off the leather to make spaces for further application until the leather structure is saturated.





Fatliquor Replenishing – Why it’s done?

It’s for replenishing original fatliquor that diminishes thru evaporation as VOC (volatile organic compound) gases from sun-bleaching, ageing and heat; leaching through breaking of hydrogen-bonding from water damages and alkaline cleaning solutions.

It’s for lubricating the leather fibers so that after drying they will be capable of sliding over one another smoothly.

It’s for softening the leather fibrous structure with stretchability, compressibility and flexibility, while enhancing its rip tensile strength greatly.

It’s for relaxing coarse breaks, creases and wrinkles to provide drapes, suppleness and prevents cracking.

It’s for helping to keep leather at its optimum physical performance and prevent premature ageing.







How to get it?


Simply just email me of your interest.





By the way please show some pictures, so that help will be more specific.





Further questions are welcome!





Roger Koh

info@leatherdoctor.com
 
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