M95 Vs. M105 (Again)

SuperBee364

SuperBee364

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Guys, I apologize for starting this up again, but I've been reading as much as I can find on this and many other detailing forums, and I still haven't been able to find a direct comparison between the two.



On Meguairs forums (and the product info sheets), they say that the M105 cuts faster and leaves a better finish than M95. Supposedly, M95 is in the same cutting class as M105, but has a longer working time, and more of a traditional heavy compound finish. I take it that means swirls, haze, and holograms.



I have yet to find an Autopian thread with personal experiences of a head to head matchup between these two. As much as I like M105, I'm still not that comfortable using it, and would really like to see a traditional method compound finish as well as 105 does. Guess it's just more in my comfort zone.



So anywy, I'm just wondering if any of you have done an actual comparison test to see if the marketing materials match up with real world experiences; does M105 finish noticeably better than 95? How long can you work 95?
 
Yeah, I read that thread, Fluxy, and the thread that it points to, as well. Everyone pretty much just regurgitates the marketing info sheets from Meguairs, but no one actually has a side by side comparison of the two.



What I'm looking for is like a half and half hood shot. One side being 95, the other 105. And actual "here's my opinion after using both" type posts.



I'm using M105 again today. I'm gonna try it with the white finishing wool to try and diminish a couple of RIDS on the Charger that are driving me crazy, and also to correct some pretty bad swirls/marring on the wife's SUV. Hoping to get some decent shots of this to post later tonight.
 
SuperBee364 said:
Yeah, I read that thread, Fluxy, and the thread that it points to, as well. Everyone pretty much just regurgitates the marketing info sheets from Meguairs, but no one actually has a side by side comparison of the two.
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I'm not sure how much different it is here at Autopia. It's mostly regurgitated info from one thread to the next.



What I'm looking for is like a half and half hood shot. One side being 95, the other 105.

And actual "here's my opinion after using both" type posts.
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Sounds like you might need a quart of 95. It's 14 bucks on ADS ;) Get 'er done.
 
Mindflux said:
I'm not sure how much different it is here at Autopia. It's mostly regurgitated info from one thread to the next.



Sounds like you might need a quart of 95. It's 14 bucks on ADS ;) Get 'er done.
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Dang, only 14 bucks?? But I also need some Black Wow... Ah well, *one* more order isn't gonna hurt, right? ;)
 
SuperBee364 said:
Dang, only 14 bucks?? But I also need some Black Wow... Ah well, *one* more order isn't gonna hurt, right? ;)
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Sure. Why not get a Black WOW for me too ;) and uhm, some #95 too. Yeah that's the ticket.
 
gators241987 said:
i personally like 95 better than 105. they both hazed the paint, but both cleaned up nicely. But being half the price, 95's got my vote.
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That's what I'm talking about, right there. Opinions from guys that have used both.



Gators241987, what pad did you use with them? I'm curious, cause you said that both of them hazed the paint...M105 is kinda known for leaving a really good finish. Might have been your pad choice that caused the hazing with 105?
 
SuperBee364 said:
That's what I'm talking about, right there. Opinions from guys that have used both.



Gators241987, what pad did you use with them? I'm curious, cause you said that both of them hazed the paint...M105 is kinda known for leaving a really good finish. Might have been your pad choice that caused the hazing with 105?
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I *think* I used the 8006 or 7006 with the m95 and the orange LC CCS with the m105. I fully suspect that the hazing was caused by pad choice, but it was a terrible paint condition and required extreme measures. Some SIP, 85rd, and ultrafina made it look new. Not bad for a 97 chevy with 300k+ on the clock. As far as the black wow, wow is all I can say. Made my trim on my bed on my f150 look brand new. Make sure to wipe of excess, and it really does just take a tiny bit. I did one rail with only 2 pea size drops.
 
I have used both also Supe. I personally like the way that #105 works and, to me, it sure is worth the extra dollars. Supe, you know from personal experience how #105 finishes. When a compound finishes that well, it makes the polishing step such a pleasure and it can also save time.



#95 has it's place though. I worked on a car recently that needed the extra working time. #105 just broke down too quickly before it could accomplish anything on the super hard clear. #95 prove to be the winner in that scienerio. However in most cases #105 has my vote for most heavy compound jobs.
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Heh. Famous last words.



Looks over at five shelves of various products . . .



Obsession? What obsession?
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You're one full shelf ahead of me... I better get caught up!



gators241987 said:
I *think* I used the 8006 or 7006 with the m95 and the orange LC CCS with the m105. I fully suspect that the hazing was caused by pad choice, but it was a terrible paint condition and required extreme measures. Some SIP, 85rd, and ultrafina made it look new. Not bad for a 97 chevy with 300k+ on the clock. As far as the black wow, wow is all I can say. Made my trim on my bed on my f150 look brand new. Make sure to wipe of excess, and it really does just take a tiny bit. I did one rail with only 2 pea size drops.
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Excellent info, thank you very much. :)
 
howareb said:
I have used both also Supe. I personally like the way that #105 works and, to me, it sure is worth the extra dollars. Supe, you know from personal experience how #105 finishes. When a compound finishes that well, it makes the polishing step such a pleasure and it can also save time.



#95 has it's place though. I worked on a car recently that needed the extra working time. #105 just broke down too quickly before it could accomplish anything on the super hard clear. #95 prove to be the winner in that scienerio. However in most cases #105 has my vote for most heavy compound jobs.
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Well, that pretty much convinces me... I need both!
 
Well, while there is that option of M95 for the longer work-in time but if you have OC, wouldn't it be more thrifty to just use a Scottwax's M105/OC 70/30 mixture for the desired behavior?



I know, I know, this thread's about M95 vs. M105. But hey, if you can get by with the mixture, might as well use it!



I guess I just need a much more justifiable reason to purchasing yet another bottle of polish.



Oh and Supe, I think you need a UPW. :nana:
 
OK, so 95 has a longer working time, but 105 finishes nicer? If this is the case, couldn't you just buy 105, and then mix a little Optimum Polishih, Optimum Compound, Clearkote Compound Moose, or Meguiar's 83 to extend the play time of the 105?
 
weekendwarrior said:
OK, so 95 has a longer working time, but 105 finishes nicer? If this is the case, couldn't you just buy 105, and then mix a little Optimum Polishih, Optimum Compound, Clearkote Compound Moose, or Meguiar's 83 to extend the play time of the 105?
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Denzil said:
Well, while there is that option of M95 for the longer work-in time but if you have OC, wouldn't it be more thrifty to just use a Scottwax's M105/OC 70/30 mixture for the desired behavior?



I know, I know, this thread's about M95 vs. M105. But hey, if you can get by with the mixture, might as well use it!



I guess I just need a much more justifiable reason to purchasing yet another bottle of polish.



Oh and Supe, I think you need a UPW. :nana:
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You're a bad influence, Denzil. I like that. :D



Yes, Scott's idea of mixing in OC does work to extend the working time, but it also effects M105's ability to finish off really well. Scott might have the trick to this, but I haven't been able to get M105 to finish off nearly as well after adding OC to it. Maybe I should have used OP, but I didn't want to diminish the cutting power of the 105. Otherwise, I'd just use SIP.
 
SuperBee364 said:
You're a bad influence, Denzil. I like that. :D



Yes, Scott's idea of mixing in OC does work to extend the working time, but it also effects M105's ability to finish off really well. Scott might have the trick to this, but I haven't been able to get M105 to finish off nearly as well after adding OC to it. Maybe I should have used OP, but I didn't want to diminish the cutting power of the 105. Otherwise, I'd just use SIP.
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Hey well, I think we just feed off of each other... so essentially, the cycle really never ends. :bigups



It's a good thing we haven't sucked anyone else up into our vicious cycle, hehe.
 
In my opinion after recentely using M95 on quite a few cars, I would choose M105.



In comparision to each other...



M105 has more cut then M95, in terms of defect removal after an application. M105 also breaks down in 5-20 seconds a wool pad, where as M95 has a more traditional working time (much wetter) and breaks down in 30 seconds or more. The cut difference is small enough, but M105 is definetly more aggressive and does the job much quicker.



For the amount of cut M95 has (it has a lot, just not quite M105 amount) it does finish down pretty nice, but nowhere near as nice as M105 (when worked properly and quickly).



M105 is much more finicky and sometimes is just a pain in the butt to use. It can smear, gum up, be stubborn to remove basically when ever it wants to. M95 by comparision is much more user friendly.



If you could only have 1, then M95 might be the better choice because it has consistant results, where as M105 can act horribly on certain cars. However, when M105 is on, nothing touches it, not even M95 IMO.
 
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