Full Frame camera likers: Nikon D600 promo

Bunky

Bunky

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Nikon seems to be running a nationwide 2 day sales promotion (many online sellers like amazon, b&h, adorama) on the Nikon D600.

This is a 24 MP / 1080p FULL frame camera for $2000 plus numerous free goodies added by the individual sellers. It includes the 24-85 kit lens so you get the kit lens free. The problem with full frame is good class is almost the same price as the body. This is old sell the razor and make money on the blades.

If someone wanted to get into full frame for the low price (for full frame), it is a unique opportunity.

It can be tempting. Personally, I was waiting for the Nikon D7000/D300 replacement.
 
It's funny you should mention this Al. I was over to Best Buy on Tuesday and was looking at it....$1999 for the body there.....Quite a camera..
 
Best Buy actually carries Nikon's D600 and the Canon 6D which are the new Full Frame cameras. These actually record a full side 35mm photo is I'm understanding it correctly and should produce a much better image.

They're somewhat pricy now but I suspect these prices will drop over the next year or two....
 
My primary interest has been better low light performance. My D90 is not as good as the recent "lesser" cameras such as the D5000 series.
 
I have a Canon D350. I picked it up in Germany while I was there about 7 years ago so technology has changed just a bit since then...thus my reason for looking today.

The 2 camera's I mentioned are much larger than the Rebel model so I'm not sure if I want to make that move. I'd like to stay with a more compact DSLR so I may hold off for a year or so........
 
good glass is expensive no matter if using full frame or 1.6x APS-c crop. I shoot with L lenses Body prices will change lenses rarely do actually they always go up in price. Glass before Body upgrades is always more important.
I shoot with a
Canon 7D
Sigma 105 OS Macro
Canon 17-40L
Canon 70-200 f4L
Canon 100-400L 4.5-5.6
YN-565EX Flash

to say Full frame produces better images then a 1.6x crop I would totally disagree with. If you took a 1.6x crop that was comparable to a full frame say like the 7D vs 5D mark II and used the same lens I will bet most would have a very very hard time pointing out the difference other then on the Full frame there would be more in the photo since it covers a larger area. but then the 1.6x crop sensors are really helpful to people who want to get more of their subject on the frame and birders. Since its a 1.6x crop field of view you are getting more pixels on your subject vs a full frame.
 
VaderGT said:
good glass is expensive no matter if using full frame or 1.6x APS-c crop. I shoot with L lenses Body prices will change lenses rarely do actually they always go up in price. Glass before Body upgrades is always more important.
I shoot with a
Canon 7D
Sigma 105 OS Macro
Canon 17-40L
Canon 70-200 f4L
Canon 100-400L 4.5-5.6
YN-565EX Flash

to say Full frame produces better images then a 1.6x crop I would totally disagree with. If you took a 1.6x crop that was comparable to a full frame say like the 7D vs 5D mark II and used the same lens I will bet most would have a very very hard time pointing out the difference other then on the Full frame there would be more in the photo since it covers a larger area. but then the 1.6x crop sensors are really helpful to people who want to get more of their subject on the frame and birders. Since its a 1.6x crop field of view you are getting more pixels on your subject vs a full frame.
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The one FAQ that cannot be argued about full frame is that the full frame allows for more light thus making it much better in low light. The rest of it is that pixels are pixels.
 
rurocking said:
The one FAQ that cannot be argued about full frame is that the full frame allows for more light thus making it much better in low light. The rest of it is that pixels are pixels.
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what????????????? the sensor has nothing to do with how much light is let in..that is totally up to the lens mounted on the camera. Full frame gives a wider field of view over the 1.6x crop so a 17mm lens is actually 17mm instead of having the field of view of 27mm it has nothing to do with how much light is let in. Full frame since its a much larger sensor has ability to have cleaner ISO at higher up like 3200 and up so you can shoot at those ISO settings with little to no noise being able to shoot in low light better but that has zero to do with the amount of light being let in.
 
VaderGT said:
what????????????? the sensor has nothing to do with how much light is let in..that is totally up to the lens mounted on the camera. Full frame gives a wider field of view over the 1.6x crop so a 17mm lens is actually 17mm instead of having the field of view of 27mm it has nothing to do with how much light is let in. Full frame since its a much larger sensor has ability to have cleaner ISO at higher up like 3200 and up so you can shoot at those ISO settings with little to no noise being able to shoot in low light better but that has zero to do with the amount of light being let in.
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i shoot with a canon 1DS primarily and i'd like to add that you can enlarge full frame bigger with less distortion.
 
Bunky said:
Nikon seems to be running a nationwide 2 day sales promotion (many online sellers like amazon, b&h, adorama) on the Nikon D600.
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Al I went out to buy a D700 when they announced the D800, fearing that I can never use a D700 again. D700 is my all-time favourite camera.

I dont shoot video (I only post photos in my review), but I shoot fast moving objects from time to time.
I much prefer "low" pixel (12MP is enough already!!) but 8fps than anything else!

My next camera will likely be 5D3, then probably D3s when I have enough money.
 
PPLd said:
I much prefer "low" pixel (12MP is enough already!!) but 8fps than anything else!
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I am not interested in fps so 5-6 fps is good enough for me. I am sure Nikon will have a model that has a larger buffer than the D600/D800 to allow faster frame rates for all the D300/D700 owners. I know it is not the best camera for sports or interested in moving wildlife nor the best great video camera (Canon is better).

I am after great high ISO performance. For example, flash photography works better when ISO is at 800 so you can get more ambient light (if that is what one wants).

I would have a D7000 now (almost got one) until I realized it is due for a replacement (up to 24mp) to match the rest of the line.

I had been waiting for the D7000/D300 replacement (if there was one). The D600 weighs just a tad more than the D7000 so the weight is a given. I also wanted the extra reach (100mm equals 150mm on DX).

As for glass, DX specific glass is usually not as good as the FX glass but it is lighter and there are some very good options.
 
Dang it, Al. I had gotten over my camera hobby and now "had" to buy the D600 combo Costco was running. Camera, 24-85VR, 70-300VR, wireless adapter, 32GB card, and case. $900 off but still....

My D70 was getting long in the tooth and I do have a lot of good lenses.

And that was after the Panerai I wasn't planning on buying.
 
VaderGT said:
what????????????? the sensor has nothing to do with how much light is let in..that is totally up to the lens mounted on the camera. Full frame gives a wider field of view over the 1.6x crop so a 17mm lens is actually 17mm instead of having the field of view of 27mm it has nothing to do with how much light is let in. Full frame since its a much larger sensor has ability to have cleaner ISO at higher up like 3200 and up so you can shoot at those ISO settings with little to no noise being able to shoot in low light better but that has zero to do with the amount of light being let in.
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With the same lens at the same aperture a larger sensor will allow for more light. Do a test if you need proof.
 
mjlinane said:
Dang it, Al. I had gotten over my camera hobby and now "had" to buy the D600 combo Costco was running. Camera, 24-85VR, 70-300VR, wireless adapter, 32GB card, and case. $900 off but still....

My D70 was getting long in the tooth and I do have a lot of good lenses.

And that was after the Panerai I wasn't planning on buying.
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Congrats. ;)

I picked up the D600 combo last week from B&H.

I really not have had time to really use it but can tell it is much improved over my D90.

It is a tad bigger but not really heavier but feels better in the hand for me.

The ISO is definitely improved and expect now can get better flash pics (more ambient light in background). The sharpness is a step up.
 
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