compare/contrast new BF to Klasse on black.

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blackntan

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I'm considering a polymer for my black miata. I'm looking at either Blackfire or Klasse. Which would you recommend and why?



I already have AIO, and use that as a prep as it's my favorite polish/ mild abrasive i've found so far..



Would BF paint protection sit well on top of AIO, or would the BF GEP be a better fit?



Actually, it seems AIO and BF GEP serve the same purpose, correct?? If so, which is a better product?



Normally, i'd just go straight for Klasse,as I love the AIO, but the reviews i've read on both of them tend to say that BF looks better on darker colors..



Thanks!
 
aio and bf2 worked great for me, then i tried klasse sg and it is awesome. However, bf2 always gave me the slickest paint, and lasted about 4 months.
 
My truck is dark green, and I've tried Klasse and BF2. I prefer BF2. It went on and came off easier than anything I've used. I like the shine of both but I'd give BF2 the edge.:)
 
How about AIO, BF GEP, then BFPP.....

You will be amazed.....I believe AIo is a better cleaner, but I have issues with not using GEP b4 PP.....

Dont get me wrong, AIO, will work perfectly fine with PP, I think GEP, then PP is just a step better !
 
blackntan- I have NOT done a black car in, oh, 20 years, but on silver, the SG and BFII look COMPLETELY different. I'd guess you'd like the BFII look better on black. BUT, the SG will protect better/longer (unbelievably long, if you put on 4-5 layers).



Have you considered P UPP? About the same look as BFII, at least after the first wash, but *I* found it a LOT easier to use.



As Patrick said, using the BF GEP first will PROBABLY give you the best "BF look" (we're really splitting hairs here). But I use BF (and P UPP) over AIO and it works fine.
 
I like BF2 on my wife's Black Mustang. We have tried AIO & SG but the BF2 works better on wife's car. However on my older Jeep, AIO & SG works best....Andrew
 
I use AIO, SG and UPP on my Bright Metallic Silver Paint job. I didn't notice as much reflectivity from the Blackfire as I would have liked.
 
I'm placing the order today, but have two more quick questions I'd like your opinions on before I order:



1) Which will provide better protection from the elements? (this ties into my post about being egged. Would either of these offered some protection against the etching I have now?)



2) I've heard that blackfire should not be topped with a carnuaba. What about SG? I love using S100. Would S100 give the SG the depth and life of blackfire?
 
Best protection - SG.



I haven't heard that BF2 shouldn't be topped. I used BF2 twice but got tired of the smearing. SG can give you hazing. I thought Classic Motoring stated not to top SG with Carnuba though many do.



Have you used any of these products ? You may want to just try AIO and top w/S100 and see how you like and go from there.



Also Platinum UPP seems to be another choice in the SG, BF2 arena.
 
I have the full Blackfire group -- from the wash to the QD. I use it on a black full size Dodge pick up. I prefer not to layer it with carnauba. For a daily driver I think that would be over-kill and lots more work.



By the way, look before you "layer". Yesterday I put a second layer of protectant on my truck after washing it and doing what I thought was a good visual inspection. When I removed the sealant haze, I discovered that on the hood I had layered in some microsopic water marks or possibly some overspray residue that had been previously removed with clay. Dumb move. I went over the hood with my PC and DACP three times followed by two applications of BF polish. Then I resealed it. I now have one very slick and very black hood.



The rest of the truck looks great too. Blackfire is an excellent product, especially for dark colors, but when I use up my current supply, I think that I will go back to Mequiar's MPPP. It's more of a one step product.



Tom :cool:
 
Once again, thanks for the help.



I use AIO and S100/PS21 now, and although it looks incredible, the protection it gives against the elements, washing, and unfortunatly eggs, is subpar. I want something I can use in the winter during the horrible Phillly/ South Jersey winters and protect the car.



I still haven't made a decision.. I guess they're that close...
 
The issues with not topping BFPP or Klasse Sg, relating to Carnauba: Once topped with a Carnauba, you cant reapply BFPP or Sg with any real benefit. It may look like youve accomplished something, but theres a bonding issue on the Carnauba.....
 
For maximum protection, you might want to consider Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint Protection or #20 Sealant. Both look great on black and are easy to apply.



Tom
 
blackntan said:
...I use AIO and S100/PS21 now, and although it looks incredible, the protection it gives against the elements, washing, and unfortunatly eggs, is subpar. I want something I can use in the winter during the horrible Phillly/ South Jersey winters and protect the car...I still haven't made a decision.. I guess they're that close...
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Hmm.. that strikes me as odd. Are you putting on multiple layers of SG? I can easily get through an entire (Ohio) winter with SG, and many more months after THAT. I sometimes only SG my cars once a YEAR, but when I do it, I put on many layers.



Topping (multiple layers of) SG with Collinite would DEFINITELY get you through the winter, unless you're doing something weird when you wash.
 
I only have AIO right now. No SG at all.



My only protection is S100, which is fine for summer, but not for winter. That's why i'm looking at blackfire and SG. I think i'm going to go with SG, and see how that goes. When I run out of Klasse i'll switch to the blackfire set, but I don't wanna have the Klasse and Blackfire stuff both sitting around. Miata's are small. It'd take me the rest of my life to use both products...
 
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