Taking black to another level

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Striker

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Ok guys, heres the deal-



I need some suggestions on product selection. I have a black 99 WS6 that is FAR from a daily driver. The car gets driven in NO bad weather and it is a weekend/car show toy. I drive her 2-3K per year.



I've used Zaino with positive results, but just like a lot of you on here-I WANT MORE! I am bringing the car out this May and it will have new suspension and a lower stance so I really wanna take the look of the paint to another level. I feel that there has to be something out that will truelly make it pop and surpass zaino in terms of looks.



The paint surface is great. No scratches, swirls, marring, etc. Just clean looking for an unsurpassed shine.
 
What have you done in regard to actually polishing the paint? That will give you the most bang for the buck as far as ultimate shine.



Zaino works well on some colors and is very shiney, are you looking for more shine? Or are you interested in depth?



Taking it to another level is pretty broad, but I'd start of with a good finishing polish like PO85RD, and if it was mine, for show, I'd be using Pinnacle Souveran
 
yakky said:
What have you done in regard to actually polishing the paint? That will give you the most bang for the buck as far as ultimate shine.



Zaino works well on some colors and is very shiney, are you looking for more shine? Or are you interested in depth?



Taking it to another level is pretty broad, but I'd start of with a good finishing polish like PO85RD, and if it was mine, for show, I'd be using Pinnacle Souveran
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I've polished the paint using Menzerna products, specificaly Menz IP and FP to be specific. I've heard of Pinnacle Souveran last year when I made a thread asking for the best wax for black. This is the one that's pretty price, the pure white carnuba wax, correct?
 
If you are patient, Autogeek runs a sale with two containers for $100, but yeah, that's the right stuff. Some people love it, some don't, but it is one of those waxes that you will definitely notice, it has a very unique look, and very wide range, it really does look good from all angles. Its Achilles heel is dust, it seems love it, but on a show car, that shouldn't matter.
 
i may get flamed for this, but personally i love the look of KAIO. ive tried a bunch of different combinations on black (i have an 03 cobra) also on a car that sees maybe 3k per year. of all the combinations, i think KAIO, and the red moose machine glaze with their white carnuba liquid wax was another nice combo with not as much durability. it looks like a "candy shell" is on the car. even if you dont like it, it is so easy to put on, and so cheap for the small bottle, its worth just trying once.
 
Save some money and get the P21S carnauba wax instead of Souveran. It's just as good and some shootouts have shown it to be even slightly superior.
 
P-nut said:
Save some money and get the P21S carnauba wax instead of Souveran. It's just as good and some shootouts have shown it to be even slightly superior.
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So you've used both and think P21S is better that Souveran?
 
if you want the ultimate reflection and glossy wet look, color sand that puppy. no amount of polishing will remove orange peel and with that present you wont get those sharp reflections
 
I thought about getting the car wet sanded. There's a local fella that's spent his whole career in the body shop industry and he did my friends black 98 GS-R Intergra and I was :bow He charged him $200.





As for P21S, I know that there are two versions of this wax. I have the one with the blue lid, not the silver. (cheaper of the two)
 
I would go with the Wolfgang Fuzion wax it looks unreal. By far some of the best wax I have ever used and it is sooooo easy to apply and remove.



If you do want to go with the fuzion I have a brand new tub I will let go for 40 bucks shipped.
 
Poorboys Nattys Blue over Zaino- Wow! One of my favorite combos.



Nattys blue is a great beauty wax for a small price.
 
Do whatever polishing the paint needs, then finish with 3M Ultrafina if using a rotary or Clearkote's RMG via DA polisher and top with Carnauba Moose. Makes black paint look like a pool of ink.
 
Scottwax said:
Do whatever polishing the paint needs, then finish with 3M Ultrafina if using a rotary or Clearkote's RMG via DA polisher and top with Carnauba Moose. Makes black paint look like a pool of ink.
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I plan on working with a rotary. I was gonna go Menz IP+FP and that was it. You recommend a third step? It's either going to be the above combo or the ever so popular M105/205 combo with a orange/white pad.
 
Scottwax said:
3M Ultrafina when used properly means zero holograms. ZERO! Plus it adds a very carnauba like depth to the finish.
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i tried PM'ing you but you have it disabled :D



So will I be fine with the following products + 3M ultrafina as the last step? Here's what I've got:



Makita Rotary With: (1) 3M White Polishing Pad (1) Black/Charcoal 3M finishing Pad



Menzerna: Intensive Polish and Finishing Polish



Where would the Ultrafina come in my combo? Would it replace the Menz FP?
 
It can replace it or used to further refine the finish after FP.



I have PMs disabled because I'd rather answer stuff one time on the board than through numerous PMs. I'd never actually post on the board if I were to answer every "tell me every product and every step I need to detail my car" PMs. ;)
 
LICamaro85 said:
I would go with the Wolfgang Fuzion wax it looks unreal. By far some of the best wax I have ever used and it is sooooo easy to apply and remove.



If you do want to go with the fuzion I have a brand new tub I will let go for 40 bucks shipped.
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If nobody else has jumped on it, I'll try the Fusion for $40. Is this the full size (8oz) tub or the mini (3oz)?



PM me with payment info if you are interested.
 
Scottwax said:
It can replace it or used to further refine the finish after FP.



I have PMs disabled because I'd rather answer stuff one time on the board than through numerous PMs. I'd never actually post on the board if I were to answer every "tell me every product and every step I need to detail my car" PMs. ;)
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OK fair enough. So now I'm having a three step method on the paint yay more work lol.



Which pad do you recommend with 3M?
 
Striker said:
I thought about getting the car wet sanded. There's a local fella that's spent his whole career in the body shop industry and he did my friends black 98 GS-R Intergra and I was :bow He charged him $200.





As for P21S, I know that there are two versions of this wax. I have the one with the blue lid, not the silver. (cheaper of the two)
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EGAD!!! $200... WOW... If this guy knows what he is doing (and presumably he does since you were impressed by his work) IMMEDIATELY step away from the keyboard and make an appointment with him before he comes to his senses...



NO product will make your paint look as good as removing the OP and then properly compounding/finishing the job right...
 
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