Some tips of selling/overselling....

Street Dreams

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Short backstory: Man came to my house, he worked for Cutco knives and was on a sales pitch. We needed some new kitchen knives and he did his pitch and showed us what we could order. The whole time hes giving his selling points, very detailed, lots of comparisons with competing companies and why their product is inferior etc. None of this really mattered to us, we already had some cutco stuff and liked the product, we even liked the salesman.

We ordered a few sets of cutlery and as the forms were being filled out he CONTINUED on with his sales pitch. Info ontop of info about the company and the quality of the knives etc.

It bothered me and I though to myself, "we already agreed to buy from you, we liked the merchandise, now please stop talking!"

The OVERSELL!

This is something that I think about all the time and I really believe its an overlooked part of business. Especially when it comes to selling your detailing work or services to a potential customer.

"If someone has already bought what you sold, stop selling!"

When I first started detailing I had a clear vision of how I wanted to run my business and how I wanted to market myself, my services and my image (yes image is important).

As much as you sometimes may want to give the hard sell, sometimes it just doesnt work. You need to know when someone is serious about having you work on their car or if they are just wasting your time. As impressive as it sounds to outline the correction process and how long each step takes etc. some people just are not into it, you need to respect that.

I used to sell every customer the same way and it really isnt the best way of doing things. Cater your selling to each individual person, the results are worth it!

As for dealing with SHRUDE BUSINESS PEOPLE the oversell in my opinion is the #1 thing to AVOID! Remember most people in a position of power (businessman, CEO, stock trader, attorney) are constantly being pitched and sold to. They know what they want and they are EXCELLENT at weeding out the BS. If you sense someone is like this, a mover and a shaker as my grandfather would call it, than adjust your sell accordingly.

A lot of people I deal with are very busy, always moving and fast talking. They get things done quickly and they dont ask questions unless its directly related to what they need.

Example: If this person was in a restaruant their order would go like this

"Steak, medium well, baked potato"

Opposed to....

"I think I'll have a steak, um maybe medium well and for a side hmmmm a baked potatoe sounds nice, what does that come with?"

Person "A" knows exactly what they want and good waiter will take down the order, reassure them its perfect and then move onto someone else, quickly. This displays confidence in their craft as a server. Person "B" is the opposite they arent 100% sure of anything and a good waiter should known to explain how the steak will be cooked and what sides it comes with etc. Again its part of mastering their craft.

It may sound ridiculous but there is a key difference between the two people. If you dealing with someone who is like the first example then be very direct with your pitch, tell them what YOU can do for THEM and that YOU will take care of EVERYTHING they need with regards to detailing THEIR car, end of story, you are the person for the job.

When I say "pitch" I dont mean it in the literal sense. If someone calls you and says they have a 2005 Lexus blah blah with so and so problems you need to answer their questions and hopefully by the end of the call have them book something with you. The pitch lies in how you relay info to them and if they feel you are exactly what they are looking for. Same goes for emails as many customers today dont even call. Email is even easier because you can think through each statement and cater it to the person depending on how they contacted you.

BECOME A FACILITATOR! People like when you handle things for them and cutout the foreplay so to speak. Some guys like to be finessed and want to hear about all the products and processes you use in a job but others could care less.

If someone has agreed to book a job with you than your job is done. Book it and let the work do the rest of the talking.

Hoping this will open up some discussion.. get some feedback on real world situations in dealing with people!
 
I've been in sales for 30 years now. I have read tons of books on the subject, been to many sales seminars.

The one book that today still stands out and made the most scene to me was "the one minute salesperson"

It deals around listening to the prospect rather than trying to sell on benefits. Sales people are over zealous about wanting to talk about their product or services, but fail in one area. What dose the prospect want? If you ask questions that allows them to talk and eventually will lead to you finding a solution for them, the 80/20 rule applies here.

when I speak about my detail services, I always ask "what are you looking for" then make a suggestion, are you looking for a show room quality or just to get the car clean in and out.

From that I can then talk to what level they are wanting in the detail.
 
I never upsell or upcharge anything when I detail. I meet with the client, face to face with the car whenever possible, and will begin by addressing all of their concerns and issues with the vehicle, we will discuss what can and cannot be done reasonably and within budget, and then I will offer whatever suggestions I may have that I believe will make the strongest impact in the overall look of the vehicle. With this approach we are both very aware of each others expectations and intentions and are able to both walk away from the deal satisfied with the transaction.

My favorites are the big pocket book owners that hand you the keys and say "just do whatever it is that you need to do."
 
I never upsell or upcharge anything when I detail. I meet with the client, face to face with the car whenever possible, and will begin by addressing all of their concerns and issues with the vehicle, we will discuss what can and cannot be done reasonably and within budget, and then I will offer whatever suggestions I may have that I believe will make the strongest impact in the overall look of the vehicle. With this approach we are both very aware of each others expectations and intentions and are able to both walk away from the deal satisfied with the transaction.

My favorites are the big pocket book owners that hand you the keys and say "just do whatever it is that you need to do."

I have two clients that leave the keys in the car with a blank check for me to fill in.

Most of clients that I have, have been with me for years.
 
Now that's what I call trust.

Thanks, its called years of service and quality of work.

I do pickup and delivery for most all my details. That's why they keep coming back, all they have to do is send me a email or call and its done!
 
Short backstory: Man came to my house, he worked for Cutco knives and was on a sales pitch. We needed some new kitchen knives and he did his pitch and showed us what we could order. The whole time hes giving his selling points, very detailed, lots of comparisons with competing companies and why their product is inferior etc. None of this really mattered to us, we already had some cutco stuff and liked the product, we even liked the salesman.

We ordered a few sets of cutlery and as the forms were being filled out he CONTINUED on with his sales pitch. Info ontop of info about the company and the quality of the knives etc.

It bothered me and I though to myself, "we already agreed to buy from you, we liked the merchandise, now please stop talking!"

The OVERSELL!

This is something that I think about all the time and I really believe its an overlooked part of business. Especially when it comes to selling your detailing work or services to a potential customer.

"If someone has already bought what you sold, stop selling!"

When I first started detailing I had a clear vision of how I wanted to run my business and how I wanted to market myself, my services and my image (yes image is important).

As much as you sometimes may want to give the hard sell, sometimes it just doesnt work. You need to know when someone is serious about having you work on their car or if they are just wasting your time. As impressive as it sounds to outline the correction process and how long each step takes etc. some people just are not into it, you need to respect that.

I used to sell every customer the same way and it really isnt the best way of doing things. Cater your selling to each individual person, the results are worth it!

As for dealing with SHRUDE BUSINESS PEOPLE the oversell in my opinion is the #1 thing to AVOID! Remember most people in a position of power (businessman, CEO, stock trader, attorney) are constantly being pitched and sold to. They know what they want and they are EXCELLENT at weeding out the BS. If you sense someone is like this, a mover and a shaker as my grandfather would call it, than adjust your sell accordingly.

A lot of people I deal with are very busy, always moving and fast talking. They get things done quickly and they dont ask questions unless its directly related to what they need.

Example: If this person was in a restaruant their order would go like this

"Steak, medium well, baked potato"

Opposed to....

"I think I'll have a steak, um maybe medium well and for a side hmmmm a baked potatoe sounds nice, what does that come with?"

Person "A" knows exactly what they want and good waiter will take down the order, reassure them its perfect and then move onto someone else, quickly. This displays confidence in their craft as a server. Person "B" is the opposite they arent 100% sure of anything and a good waiter should known to explain how the steak will be cooked and what sides it comes with etc. Again its part of mastering their craft.

It may sound ridiculous but there is a key difference between the two people. If you dealing with someone who is like the first example then be very direct with your pitch, tell them what YOU can do for THEM and that YOU will take care of EVERYTHING they need with regards to detailing THEIR car, end of story, you are the person for the job.

When I say "pitch" I dont mean it in the literal sense. If someone calls you and says they have a 2005 Lexus blah blah with so and so problems you need to answer their questions and hopefully by the end of the call have them book something with you. The pitch lies in how you relay info to them and if they feel you are exactly what they are looking for. Same goes for emails as many customers today dont even call. Email is even easier because you can think through each statement and cater it to the person depending on how they contacted you.

BECOME A FACILITATOR! People like when you handle things for them and cutout the foreplay so to speak. Some guys like to be finessed and want to hear about all the products and processes you use in a job but others could care less.

If someone has agreed to book a job with you than your job is done. Book it and let the work do the rest of the talking.

Hoping this will open up some discussion.. get some feedback on real world situations in dealing with people!

Awesome Dave!
 
I couldn't agree more with everything in this thread. I tread a very thin and humble line with my clients and do my best to not sound like a snake oil salesman. Sometimes Ill do their car 2 or 3 times before I ever mention doing any serious correction, just to gain their trust first. With some people, if you come right out if the gate talking about charging an arm and a leg to do what they imagine is a "buff job", your going to scare many folks off. Without the trust and relationships with your clients, you don't have anything in the long run.
 
These arevery good points. I think many people get caught up in describing everything they do to get the sale or job. It then becomes speaking "at" the potential cleint and not "with".
 
Great points. I have to say when I deal with sales people I don't like when they continue to try to sell after I've agreed to purchase or when I decline. All the talking in the world will not make me buy something when I've said I wasn't interested.

On the other hand:
If they ask "why?" I'm not purchasing and I give my explanation and they can offer something useful or actually listen it does earn them points. Salesman who do not listen to the person they are speaking drive me nuts. Listen to what they tell you and you can learn a lot about the person and what their needs might be
 
Short backstory:
..."If someone has already bought what you sold, stop selling!"...

:exactly:

Thoughts:

  • The more the client talks, the smarter and more professional you become.
  • In detailing people are buying their car again; shiny and better than new. Actually, it's your ability to make that possible but most clients do not give a hoot about the process. Talk about the benefit to them. How they will feel, they will love it, their friends will be jealous, etc…
  • Emotions, not logic, motivate people to buy services and things.
  • Once they say yes, stop selling (you might say something dumb and undo the sale you just earned), change the topic and start looking for the referral.
  • Don't ask yes or no questions. Assume the sale and instead offer choices.
 
This is a great thread. One of the biggest things I've learned to do when dealing with people is to just shut the hell up. When me and a customer is walking to look at their car, I just wanna talk about something to break the awkward silence, but no, I try to keep it direct and to the point. When you try to have a conversation with the customer it's almost like your trying to suck up to them, and that puts them in an awkward position because all they want is business. Be professional, direct and to the point when you're just getting started with them
 
Good topic. Applies to most everything.

It is an art is more often to know when to shut up.

I really do not like the bragging type of salesman and those that spend too much time trashing someone else.

What is funny some cannot tell when they are no longer welcome or needed.
 
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