Need Zaino shine, but protection of armor, how to accomplish?

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WS6Fury

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Well, I think I've finally give up on Zaino. I have my 02 Silver WS6 which was left out in the rain and pollen for a couple days to make sure the leak I had was surely fixed. Well, after the rain, I wiped down the car clean and applied some zaino. At night I went to go cover my car back up for the monsoon season we are having in NJ and to my avail, my paint is horribly stained and marked!!!!!:eek: :angry



I've had it!! Zaino just cannot protect against anything!!!



I like the way it makes my silver car glow, but to suffer the consequences of a little rain a pollen mixed it forget it!!



I need to find a good wax combo to use on my car that will give the appearance of Zaino shine, but the protection of an armor plate!



Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do? I heard P21 is a good shine wax, but no durability, especially in the summer in the hot sun.



I have VM, MW, 3M SMR, 3M glaze. Where should I start out? I have some collonites as well.:wavey
 
Klasse? I've had good success with it, gives a hard finish. Some people don't like Klasse SG because it is finiky to apply and remove. YMMV
 
As far as sealants/protectants/waxes, nothing protects as well as Zaino!:nono



Maybe you didn't apply it right?! I'm not sure...

All I know of, as a problem with it, is dust attraction right after applying, but that's always fixed with a wash or Z6'ing!;)



Ask anyone on this board who has used it, they'll all say Zaino offers the best protection(with Klasse close behind)...

You want Zaino reflectivity, well, nothing can match that. But, s100 and Klasse come close!



I'm not sure how your paint got stained, but it wasn't Z's fault. To that I'm almost certain. You can always email Sal on the Z website, and maybe he can fix your problem. Don't give up on Zaino just yet!:xyxthumbs



:wavey
 
drewski59 said:
As far as sealants/protectants/waxes, nothing protects as well as Zaino!:nono



Maybe you didn't apply it right?! I'm not sure...

All I know of, as a problem with it, is dust attraction right after applying, but that's always fixed with a wash or Z6'ing!;)



Ask anyone on this board who has used it, they'll all say Zaino offers the best protection(with Klasse close behind)...

You want Zaino reflectivity, well, nothing can match that. But, s100 and Klasse come close!



I'm not sure how your paint got stained, but it wasn't Z's fault. To that I'm almost certain. You can always email Sal on the Z website, and maybe he can fix your problem. Don't give up on Zaino just yet!:xyxthumbs



:wavey
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Nope, been using Zaino correctly for the past year and a half, just tired of all the problems its given me. Especially the dusting after waxing:mad: Bird bombs just eat right through like nothin's there to.
 
Go with AIO/UPP and top it with regular coats of S100.



The S100 acts like a 'sacrificial layer' and its so easy to apply it takes literally 5 minutes once every coupla weeks.



I did the wifes Explorer with these over a month ago and its still beading up nicely despite the oddest mixture of weather I've ever seen, with torrential rain, dust storms and now prolly the hottest May week in Utah history.







P.S. My hate of the Zaino 'cling film plastic' look is prolly well known by now ;) but I never realised it has longevity problems.
 
WOW, Thats Interesting. I Havent Found Anything That Will Outlast Z.

I Guess You Can Give One Of The Other Synthetics A Whirl, But To Find One That Gives You That Z Shine WIll Be Tough.

Maybe Klasse or BF.....

I Wonder if Your Area Has Extreme Acid Rain/Pollution? It Will Be Interesting To See How Other Products Hold Up For You.
 
Bird Bombs are acidic, they will eat through any sealant given enough time. Given the right combination of elements, heat, water, and the polluted NJ air can lead to etching very quickly. You can't leave bird bombs on for hours in those conditions and not expect etching.
 
WS6Fury said:
Nope, been using Zaino correctly for the past year and a half, just tired of all the problems its given me. Especially the dusting after waxing:mad: Bird bombs just eat right through like nothin's there to.
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For the life of me, I can’t imagine what could be causing “all the problems its given� you! I’ve gone through quite a few bottles of Z-2 and Z-5, and have had only three problems; susceptibility to marring, lack of depth, and it’s addictive!



Given the right conditions bird bombs will eat through anything, especially in berry eating season! I’ve done side-by-side hardness comparisons with other synthetics, and Klasse is the only one that’s even close. I have to drive 1/3 mile on crushed granite to get to the asphalt (lots of dust), and once wiped down with Z-6 the Zaino is no different that the other synthetics, and in hot weather better than the carnaubas in the dust.



Maybe it would help if you’d tell us what problems you’ve been having, and also what methods/techniques you use with the Zaino.



Good luck!
 
stanger99 said:
Not True:nono



There are many of us who find other products to be more durable.
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Just curious, like what? :confused:



From everything I had heard and read, Zaino seems like one of the most, if not the most, durable products out there with Klasse coming in second. Even the WaxTest confirmed this.



I think I would strongly look into the acid rain possibility (which is bad news) and also consider Smoker's idea of having sacrificial layers of wax which could easily be replaced or maybe even Dawned off and replaced. I have (aging) S100 on my Klasse right now and that was one of the reasons why I did it that way.
 
The dust atttracting issue is the only problem I've really had with Zaino. Maybe you could give the VM/EX combo a try.
 
WS6Fury, i think you may want to try Einszett's Glanz Wax. it gives a great shine on silver(as well as other colors too), protects for a long time, and resists staining alot better than zaino. i've used zaino b4 and didn't like that it would stin so easily. now i only use the einszett glanz on my silver truck and the zaino is collecting dust in my garage. i've gotten up to 8 months of beading out of 1 coat of GW with the vehicle only being washed 5 or 6 times inthe time span. NO, it wasn't my car, it was my mom's car. :up
 
WS6Fury said:
I've had it!! Zaino just cannot protect against anything!!![/B]
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Like several others here, I find your experience perplexing. I've been using Zaino for about 7 months, and have been amazed by its durability. Just yesterday, I went out to tackle some purple bird-bombs. They had been on since at least 48 hours --maybe longer. (I hadn't seen the car in about 6 days.) There were lots of 'em, and BIG! I went at them as I have in the past, with Poorboy's Spray & Wipe and a MF. The bombs came off easily, but I could see that the purple was etched in -- as if it had dyed the finish. :eek: Well, I screamed and let out a couple of choice bleeps. Then sprayed once more with S&W, wiped off, and poof! they were gone without a trace. My guess: they had stained the Zaino layer, but not the paint. Zaino to the rescue again.



WS6Fury said:
Well, I think I've finally give up on Zaino. I have my 02 Silver WS6 which was left out in the rain and pollen for a couple days to make sure the leak I had was surely fixed. Well, after the rain, I wiped down the car clean and applied some zaino. At night I went to go cover my car back up for the monsoon season we are having in NJ and to my avail, my paint is horribly stained and marked!!!!!:eek: :angry
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You "wiped the car & applied Zaino"?? Did you really only "wipe it" after 2 days of rain, dust, and pollen? Most of us are pretty careful about surface-prep before applying Zaino. If you did not wash it thoroughly, then apply the QD, could that have created the problem?
 
4DSC said:
Just curious, like what? :confused:



From everything I had heard and read, Zaino seems like one of the most, if not the most, durable products out there with Klasse coming in second. Even the WaxTest confirmed this.
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I was just trying to point out that not everyone here thinks zaino is the most durable thing out there. Other opinions do exist. Even the people behind the wax test advise readers not to take their findings as absolute truth because everybody's results vary.

Personally, i find that both klasse and #20 are more durable than zaino(especially if zaino is not pampered with Z6 every wash to keep the beading alive).

-------Above have been MY experiences. Please feel free to post alternative experiences, but there is no reason to flame. :xyxthumbs
 
stanger99 said:
I was just trying to point out that not everyone here thinks zaino is the most durable thing out there. Other opinions do exist. Even the people behind the wax test advise readers not to take their findings as absolute truth because everybody's results vary.

Personally, i find that both klasse and #20 are more durable than zaino(especially if zaino is not pampered with Z6 every wash to keep the beading alive).

-------Above have been MY experiences. Please feel free to post alternative experiences, but there is no reason to flame. :xyxthumbs
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Okay, thanks for clarifying that Stanger, and I completely understand. I was just wondering what products you were thinking about. No :angry 's intended. :wavey
 
4DSC said:
Okay, thanks for clarifying that Stanger, and I completely understand. I was just wondering what products you were thinking about. No :angry 's intended. :wavey
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I know you weren't flaming(i don't recall you flaming much, if at all, in 3000+ posts:bow ). I was referring to the sometimes defensive posts of those who believe too much in a product.
 
WS6Fury,



Well, if you want armor protection.....



May I suggest covering the areas that are effected the most with ArmorGlove. It's the paint protection film made by 3M Europe division, a bit more durable.



I had my '03 SC430 done, and they did a superb job! They can do custom work as well.



My hood is wrapped under the hood so you do not see the seam on any sides, only if close-up can you see where it ends on the hood. You can wax over it as well.



I also had the front bumper/air-dam done, headlights, side mirrors, wheel arches, rocker panels, side fender by the headlights AND door cups for those nasty fingernail scratches!



As for the rest, well depends on how much Zaino was on the car to begin with. Most people are topping Zaino with a wax like S100 or Zymol Japon as an additional protective coat and to produce a deeper look.



Sorry to hear that you had issues with Zaino and maybe you should as Sal at Zaino for input before you toss the product.



Was it bonded correctly to the finish? You know, no wax whatsoever? Some glaze or polish add oils and can interfere with Zaino bonding.



I'm about to use Menzerna on it now, as the finish was cleared of all wax, and the dealer left it with swirls. Menzerna does not use any fillers or oils so this may work out better for my prep of Zaino again.



I've just used Z6 to keep it clean before I start the Menzerna FP, then it's all Zaino with maybe a top of Zymol Japon or S100.



Give Sal a call and see what he says as to what may have caused this problem.



Regards,

Deanski
 
I'm starting to hear more and more about this wax "Einszett's Glanz Wax" which is more used on German cars and obviously from Germany. I think on a VW forum someone actually compared it to Zaino and said they liked it better? Dunno...



I definately stripped all wax off the car, put it this way, i have a nice soft sponge I soaked with mineral spirits I rubbed the car down with after claying the car. It actually removed a lot of the spots the clay bar couldn't penetrate and dissolve!! Worked great and I recommend it to everyone. Just make sure your car is perfectly clean.:up



I used two coats of z-5 to remove as much micro marring as I could, then applied 2 coats of Z-2. The night I covered my car I washed the car down, then went the cover.



How is the gloss and reflective qualities of Zaino affected with different toppers? And what type of toppers are best?



Which collinites should I use on the car? I know they have carnuba no915, but my friend let me borrow some of the collinites insulator wax no845 which he's had success with, just not sure of the shine qulities compared with other products out there.



And Klasse? Everyone always talks about it, but will it provide that extreme reflective quality silver cars need to look their best?
 
What mineral spirits did you use? This may had an effect with Zaino, I'd check with Sal on this one!



As for toppers, so far S100 seems to be the one most people are using.



Don't know anything about collinites or what products, etc they are as I've never seen them or used them. Where can I find more info on this stuff?



Anyway, I'd look at all options at this point: Zaino and topper of wax, Klasse, Blackfire, Poorboys... it can be a pain just to find the right match, but once you do, stick with it and let all of us know.



I'm not thrilled as to Zaino dust repelling, as the SC430 rear gets the most, and I always seem to get a good amount from just Z6 treatments. I just may be the nature of the body style than the products.



I am glad that I got the Armorglove! Seen too many of these SC430's with chipping. Todays new paint seems less forgiving and more brittle that previous paints. Hopefully you will not experience stone chips!



Regards,

Deanski
 
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