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hey i like the matte finish but spoke to the guy at carcareonline and he said not to use 303 that it use to not have silicone oils but now does well i think he is full of BS but wanted to check with u guys cause no where on the bottle or at their site does it say they use silicone thanks again guys plus he said to use vinylex funny he doesnt sell 303 and im going to use stoners invisible glass on windows what do u guys think of syoners invisible glass
 
Invisible glass, great stuff, sometimes little streaky (about same as Windex). No, 303 doesnt contain silicon oils, Vinlex contains silicon in it, but the so called "good" silicons (no gressy kid stuff). Both are great protectants.
 
I would be interested in the answer to that question. If you spoke with Larry he's a really honest guy, and I doubt he'd be pulling your leg. :eek:
 
Did you speak to Larry Reynolds at Car Care?



What makes you think he's full of BS? Maybe he's right. Have you contacted the 303 folks to find out for yourself?



Just because Car Care doesn't carry 303 does not automatically mean they are liars. Product disparagement is not their style.



Not bustin' on ya - just want to figure out what you are implying by your post.



FYI - Vinylex has silicone in it too. I met them at SEMA and they told me all about it.
 
I've had some problems over at Car Care Online before with some of their "other" employees. They are extremely rude in that in the middle of my question, they interrupt only to say, "Please Hold!", leaving me there for ten minutes until I finally get a response. I've talked to Larry personally on the other hand and he is a very honest guy. Larry's extremely professional and takes good care of his customers. I once had a problem with a product in terms of application and he gave me good detailed instructions which took at least a half hour of his time. As for your question, 303 does NOT contain silicone and it is a good product if you're looking for a matte finish. VINYLEX on the other hand does contain silicone but it is the GOOD silicone oils.
 
The employee might have confused 303 with Black Again. It used to have no silicone but the company was bought out and new formulations of this product contains the silicone.
 
Neo, I was thinking the same thing, but when I tried to look for it, I couldn't find 303. if they don't sell it and they are saying that then something's up.



Curious to who would stop using the product even if the added the "bad" silicone to it? Some habits are hard to break for some of us.
 
All of these dressing contain silicone...it's just a matter of what type it has.



Speaking in VERY general terms, there are two types of silicone....one are the polydimethylsiloxames (PDMS) and the other are the dimethyl silicone oils. According to our highly esteemed Ron Ketcham, products like 303, Zaino-16 are PDMS based and products that leave a high shine are USUALLY dimethyl silicone oil based. The dimethyl silicone is the so-called "bad", migratory silicone that wears down plasticizers and strips the microwax from your tires. PDMS is the "good" silicone.



Someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is way above my head...I'm just writing what someone else posted a while ago.
 
This is straight from 303's website:
PROVEN PROTECTION: Originally developed for the aviation & aerospace industries, 303 Aerospace Protectant uses a unique chemical technology which can provide up to 100% prevention of UV induced fade with regular use. Unlike common protectant and/or treatment products, <span style='font-size: 14px;'>303 contains no silicone oils or petroleum distillates. Today hundreds of manufacturers, having discovered 303's amazing protective properties, specify 303 in their maintenance and care instructions.
 
It is really simple to tell what is what.



Look on the label, if it says it contains petroluem distillates (have to have a health warning if it does), then it is suspect.



Wether 303, our Rubber Protector, Finish Kare's 108 or 109, etc. if milky white, free of petroluem distillates, it is the Dow Corning , GE. etc PDMS resin, the only , repeat only difference is the percentage of the resin in the formula.



Some contain as little as 12%, others will be 20 to 24% and the most expenisive are usually, repeat usually, around 30 to 33% resin rich.



Just check the label for hazadous and the distillate, if that is there, then it contains some dimethal silicone fluid or oil.



The distillate is necessary to put the dimethal silicone oil into emulsion and get it to spread over the surface.



Ketch

:eek:
 
You would think with all of the knowledge we trust from Ron we would all be buying AutoInts products. I guess my next purchase will have to be some AutoInt rubber protector now and some "ABC" in the spring.
 
I get the explanation but I don't get that's sites beef with the product. apparently it was enough for them to take it off their shelves.



BTW, BF has silicone in it ;) it is a silicone oil dispersed in water.
 
Stoners Inv Glass is awesome for cleaning all my windows inside and out. I love it and so does the GF. She actually asked what the heck was that crap since it cleaned so well. She used it on mirrors and windows in the house now. Time to buy more.



I have not had streaking problems with Stoners. SPray on glass wipe with MT clean and streak free. In between I use plain damp MTs.



As for silicone stuff I think enough has been stated.
 
I also used Stoner's Invisible Glass and felt that it was an improvement over E1 20/20, and similar products. But that was then....at this writing I am using SprayWay as I feel it outperforms the Stoner's product.
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by waxman [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>You would think with all of the knowledge we trust from Ron we would all be buying AutoInts products. I guess my next purchase will have to be some AutoInt rubber protector now and some "ABC" in the spring. [/b]</blockquote>
Just because they are safe does not mean they contain the highest concentrations. Ron has stated that their rubber protection product contains a lower percentage of the good stuff to keep the price down. Their stuff is marketed at high volume customers, whose costs are tightly controlled. To keep costs down you put in a lower percentage of the good stuff. Ron can correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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