Layering BF deep gloss sealant
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TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
I have usually just done one coat. But a second application helps to make sure you get full coverage.
Applying multiple layers doesn’t actually “build thickness” of the sealant.
Applying multiple layers doesn’t actually “build thickness” of the sealant.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
2 coats are best. Assures complete coverage.
Colly after sealant has cured if you wish to add it.
Colly after sealant has cured if you wish to add it.
Ronkh
Wax Waster
hi troy!
tropicsteve
New member
[h=1]BLACKFIRE Midnight Sun Carnauba Paste Wax looks pretty nice layered over their sealant. (wet ice over fire)[/h]
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
^ I agree with Ron.
I have found Colli 845 almost if not as durable as many sealants out there.
I have found Colli 845 almost if not as durable as many sealants out there.
TroyScherer
Ummm.... Ya.....
There is no real conclusive evidence one way or another if the solvents will fully remove the product below if you give it proper cure time that I am aware of. But the basic agreed belief is that if you let your sealant fully cure then it should be durable enough to handle the application of another product. (Sealant / Wax) But it is also said that the solvent does "soften" the product below slightly which is why you can really build multiple layers of products.
Coleroad
New member
May or may not be the same, I know fusso coat. If you left it on to long and are having a hard time getting it offf. Wipe on a new layer, it softens the old. Then you can wipe the old excess right off. I would think that means it doesn`t layer well. I`m thinking the collinite is the same way on its self. That said, just because the solvents will soften its self doesn`t necessarily mean it would soften or remove a different product.
Never Enuff
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I have used Wolfgang 3.0 or a couple of years and after letting it cure for about 24 hours I top it with 845. I haven`t noticed any problem with this combination to date. Results look good to me, although not near as good as Brandt and his PA treatment. LOL
Jay
Jay
Accumulator
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IMO people interested in layering should just apply the proper controls and test the proposed process for themselves. Easy enough to know what does/doesn`t work *for you* and then you can ignore all the Internet Experts Who Know Best 
Civicclutch
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If you use blackfire sealant on a dark car use blackice over it looks phenomenal
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Sounds like a great product from what I`ve read. Too bad BF doesn`t offer small sample to try on my Sapphire Blue Macan like this one.
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Never Enuff
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IMO people interested in layering should just apply the proper controls and test the proposed process for themselves. Easy enough to know what does/doesn`t work *for you* and then you can ignore all the Internet Experts Who Know Best
Does this mean that, in your opinion, people with less than 80,000 post can not participate in a discussion because they are not "internet experts"? Can you please give me a list of "who knows best" so I can pay particular attention to their posts and opinions? I`m sorry if you feel I ignored you, I didn`t see any post from you regarding this subject. I agree with your first sentence, IMHO the second sentence is a smart ass comment that doesn`t add anything to the discussion.
Jay
MattPersman
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Heck it would be nice if they all made a 2 or 4 oz sample size for like 5-10 bucks instead of buying these big bottles that never get used up by the average person
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Coleroad
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i don`t think it was meant to be taken that way. I believe it was meant that some things are very subjective. What one person likes or doesn`t like, doesn`t mean it`s what`s best for you. You can gather information, but eventually you just have to try things yourself. Then you know what`s best for you. I don`t believe accumulator means any disrespect.
Accumulator
Well-known member
Huh? I suspect I`ve been misinterpreted, which was undoubtedly due to my poorly worded post. OK, Note to Self...I`ll try to do better.
My postcount has zero to do with credibility. The implication that I would believe otherwise would a pretty serious insult to my intelligence, but I can`t imagine that`d be your intention so I must be misinterpreting too. Gee, why would *anybody* believe something like that?!?
Yes indeed, my smart-[aleck] comment, per usual, was one of those stupid things I oughta know better than to post. But I do think the general premise behind it (people oughta figure stuff out for themselves, with due consideration to their individual situations, rather than listen to anyone on the internet, myself included) is valid. I figured that, if anything, I was poking fun at guys like myself who post stuff all the time and those who might blindly/uncritically accept that stuff.
This "?layering? comes up a lot and people have posted supposedly conclusive findings that some other people accept/repeat without much consideration.
OK, here are the specifics behind why I posted that stupid [crap] about blindly believing somebody else`s views on Layering- Somebody on the internet supposedly used high-tech equipment to "prove" that Collinite 476S does NOT layer. The conclusions were presented as: facts determined, case closed, end of story. Well, not really End Of Story because others extrapolated to say that *no* waxes can really layer (though some did allow for exceptions related to Spit Shining). BUT...when I do multiple applications of 476S, and most any other wax too, and if I do it a certain way, I get *what I interpret to be* clear indications that it *does* layer for me. Is he right? Not IME. Am I right? Not in his opinion. Who knows which side of that fence others will be on, they have to figure it out for themselves to know what works/doesn`t for them in this regard. THAT`S why I got up on my high horse and pontificated like a [jerk].
I`ve posted my "how to test LSP for layering" a number of times, but not recently and I`ve never tried searching for those posts. It wasn`t anything special anyhow, just reasonable controls of salient variables, followed by observations and interpretations of my findings.
I`ll repeat my Layering Test protocols if anybody really cares.
I hope I`m correct as to this all being a misunderstanding and I apologize if I`ve given offense by being a smart-[aleck].
Never Enuff
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Many of us "less experience or less educated" weekender`s read the information contained on this site in hopes of gaining knowledge and insight into how all things detailing work. We put a certain amount of "stock" in what you "professionals" have to say, compare different points of view, and then go on our merry way hoping that we have learned something. We try to learn from your successes and from your mistakes(for those brave enough to post about them). We buy products that some of you recommend, within our means, and hope for the same success you`all have. Over the years I have talked with many professional detailers, including most recently Brandt, and have learned a lot about "new" products and how they work together and/or not so well together. Hopefully I have become more knowledgeable than when I started this journey many years ago. My only contribution to a forum like this revolves around my own limited experience and what works well for me in my particular set of circumstances. I don`t mind sharing that information however I realize that my experience is miniscule compared to others such as yourself. I try to abide by the saying "Do no harm". Thanks for taking the time to reply. I agree with you, the number of post does not directly affect the depth of knowledge.
Jay
Jay
BudgetPlan1
Active member
And that right there distills product choice down to its simplest form.
If one were to go by most popular choices as indicated in the online world, all we`d need is ONR & HD Speed.
And TopCoat F11 of course.