does wax protect the paint from swirls?

sharingan625

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is it possible to put swirl on the paint with drying towels and stuff, when i have a few coats of wax (i use NXT) protecting the paint? i've just put on 2 coats and will be putting on a coat every month.



thx.
 
hmm. i don't get it.



how do i damage the clearcoat when there are layers of stuff protecting it?



then what are all these protections for? just to make the car shiny?



thx.
 
If you have sunblock on and someone pokes you with a knife, will the sunblock protect you?



Not a good analogy but you get the idea. :D
 
Protection is a relative term and there's lots to protect against besides abrasion.



Most marring is caused by abrasive stuff getting pressed against the paint. Even with wax/etc. on top of it, the abrasive stuff will "cut" through, cutting a channel in the paint. Paint is generally a lot tougher than wax, so sopething abrasive enough to scratch paint will also scratch through the wax.



It's *very* rare for a LSP to provide true, demonstrable abrasion resistance. I've only had it happen with *very* light abrasion on multiple (at least six) coats of KSG. As best I could tell, the extra-fine micromarring was only in the KSG, not in the paint. But that's the only example I can think of offhand and I've been doing this since the '70s.



Example: put some plastic wrap over a piece of soft wood- the wrap is the wax and the wood is the paint. Press against the plastic wrap with something dull like the handle of a spoon. You'll be able to dent/scratch/mar the wood without damaging the plastic wrap if you do it gently. Even if you tear the wrap, think of that as being a piece of grit cutting through your wax. The wrap was "protecting" the wood, just not (sufficiently) against that particular damage.



The trick is to wash so gently that the dirt doesn't get pressed against the paint that hard. If you do it right, the wax/etc. will offer sufficient protection. Big "if" though. IMO the best protection that most LSPs offer against marring is their slickness- the dirt can "slide off" or get floated off the surface without much pressure being applied.
 
It will protect from accidental oops that have no pressure. You can still get swirling and marring with even good coatings of wax, so be careful.
 
i see.



this is going to be harder than i thought.



i have a black car and swirl is getting worse.



i was thinking about doing a full detail and start over from there by using thick coats of something on the paint to prevent swirls.



i guess i just gotta be careful as possible.



thank you guys for your information.



-john-
 
sharingan625- Actually, your plan sounds good and some LSPs will work better for this than others. I didn't mean to make it sound hopeless.



Fix it up as best you can and apply something that [stuff] doesn't stick to. Maybe something that hides a little marring, just in case you don't get things quite perfect. I'd suggest a wax from Collinite. You could refresh it now and then and get a *little* hiding if you need it.



Get a foamgun, which I consider mandatory for black vehicles. Use a high-lubricity wash and good mits (plenty of them). Work on your wash technique and try to *not* let it get too dirty between washes. Use soft WWs to dry and try to blot instead of wipe.



I bet you can do better at this than you think ;)
 
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