Anyone try Prima Amigo glaze under Zaino Z2/Z5?

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Has anyone tried this Prima Amigo polymer glaze from Detalers Paradise?



http://www.detailersparadise.com



"Prima Amigo; Amigo is a paintwork cleanser...It is a polymer-based glaze...It is a super-fine polish which levels up to 3000 grit imperfections. Prima Amigo; Amigo is a paintwork cleanser...It is a polymer-based glaze...It is a super-fine polish which levels up to 3000 grit imperfections.'



The 3000 grit super-fine polish sounds like a step beyond FPII (I think I've seen a 2500 grit rating for FPII before) and if the polymer glaze has better filling capabilities then Z-5Pro then it sounds like a perfect prep before the Z-5Pro. It is supposed to be compatible with all polymer sealants. They claim there should not be any bonding issues.



Anyone try this stuff prior to Zaino? Was there any bonding issues with the Zaino? Was the durability the same?



I'm willing to try it out on my Volvo and let everyone how it turns out, but if someone's already tried it and it did't work, well then I'll save myself some time and $.



I wonder if my usual pre-wipe with Z-6 before the first layer of Z-5/Z-2 would remove the Prima Amigo glaze?
 
It's worth a shot. It would proabably work if you did a Z6 wipedown to make sure all oils are removed. Z2Pro seems to be able to bond over other polymers but it might affect the durability some.
 
I don't think this glaze relies on oils as the filling agent. The filler is polymer based which supposedly makes it compatible with polymer sealants. I think I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask them a few questions and see if they know if anyone has had any experience using it with Zaino on top.
 
Yeah, but the Z-5Pro has minimal filling capabilties. I'm happy with the results after about 5-6 layers of Z-5Pro. That's something I do on my own car but that's not practical when someone is paying for a detail and expects it to be done in 1 day. But even then it does not match the filling ability of the best glazes out there. In my opinion, the reason that waxes like Souvreign and such look so good is not the wax itself but the glazes you can use under the wax. I bet Souvreign doesn't look as good if its applied to a naked car like we have to do with the Z-5. I mean of course it's going to look good if I'm starting with a shimmering smooth surface that a glaze provides.
 
DJBAILEY said:
wannafbody...have you found that Z-2Pro bonds to glazes better than Z-5Pro does?
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I've never used Z over a glaze. I have used Z2pro over Duragloss AW . I'm not sure wether any polymer glaze will do a lot of filling. It's something you'd have to experiment with.
 
I called Detailer's Paradise this morning. They said that there are no oils used in Prima Amigo to worry about. They said that Sal even sent them some Z-2/Z-5 to test its compatibility. They said that they did not experience and bonding issues. The Z-2/Z-5 did not wash off, however they did say that they did not monitor its durability 4-6 months down the road.



They did say that it is finer polish than FPII, its cleanser ability is on par with AIO and its filling ability is significantly superior to Z-5Pro.



I'm going to order some and use my own car as an experiment before using it on a customer's car. I usually put 10-12 Z-5/Z-2 layers on my black Volvo (2x a year) so I hope I am not going to waste it all and see it wash off the car.



I'll post some before/after Prima Amigo pictures. We'll have to wait a few months to see if the Zaino durability is compromised. ( I probably should have done this in the spring incase it doesn'y last and I end up witha stripped car in the middle of winter)
 
sounds like a good product- Sal indicated that Zaino will bond over polymer products as long as no oils are present. The fact that it's an AIO type product will be a time saver for a pro detailer.
 
Try the Danase Speed glaze..it has no correction properties...but adds nice depth and wetness to the paint..and it is acrylic polymer as well ..at least it says it on the site...



I just tried it with Duragloss 105 and really made it look so much nicer..like a deep wet caranuba look...seen posts where some have used it under Zaino...and said it looked good..but durability is still in the air with the zaino users...



here is some info on it http://www.chemicalguys.com/EZ_Creme_GLAZE_p/gap_111_16.htm



this is the same as what Danase has..just a different name..this link has a little more info...but buy fom Danase if you decide to get it..great service



http://www.danase.com/daspgl1pi.html





not pushing the product...but may be something your looking for to boost your finished look...



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Well I bought some Prima Amigo glaze. I got it last friday. I tested it on just the hood and roof of my black Volvo wagon.



I first polished with Menzerna IP and FPII then applied the Prima Amigo glaze with a black glazing pad.



the paint did get a bit glossier and smoother looking. the reflections were sharper looking. the filling was not what I had hoped for. Minor swirls were gone but it left my water spot etchings pretty much untouched. That is what I was hoping to hide. I'm afraid to go after them with wet sandpaper them seem too deep (bought car used with them already there).



The relfection was impressive and the surface did not feel oily but was slick. Then I applied the first coat of Zaino Z-5pro w/ ZFX. I waited over an hour and it still hadn't dried fully. It was was like I was moving it around still. I removed the z-5 with CBT towels, then tried the meguiars ultraplush terry and then tried some microfiber towels and had the same problem with each kind of towel. The weather the past week in Raleigh, NC turned a bit cool (70-75 during day and around 50 at night with normal humidity). So at first I thought it was the outside temp causing the problem (although I've never had a probelm with zaino w/ ZFX drying before). So I Z-6 the panels which cleaned everything up nicely. I applied another layer of z-5 w/ zfx and waitied about 1.5 hours. Had the same problem again with the zaino not drying. I Z-6 again then appiled another coat of z-5 and left it to dry overnight. The next morning I still had trouble removing the z-5. Just to make there wasn't something wrong with my bottle of z-5 I applied a coat of z-2 pro with ZFX. I had the same problem with the Z-2 not drying fully.



It got to the point that I was buffing so much trying to get all the residue off that all the swirl marks I just polished out were replaced by all my new towelling marks. I decided to stop there.



I guess the Prima Amigo is somehow keeping the Z-5 and Z-2 from drying/curing. When I brought the car out in the sun the zaino looked a little bit cloudy. Something I've never seen happen before.



Looks like I wasted $17 and a black glazing pad (I had a hell of a time trying to clean the prima amigo glaze out of the pad. Its still in the pad so I'll have to toss it) and about 1 oz of Z-5.



I'm going to remove the z-5/z-2 and prima glaze today and just stick with the zaino.



The filling of the prima glaze was not what I was hoping for anyways which is the whole reason I tried it. 2-3 coats of Z-5 would be the equivalent.



Conclusion: Do not use Prima Amigo polymer based glaze under Zaino.
 
Unless the Prima is able itself to form a bond with the finish the Z sealants will never find a foundation to attach itself. This is denoted as Z5's and Z2's inability to seemingly dry.



If you have not re-done the test areas, try a IPA wipe down and see if the Z will than bonds (dries). My guess it will. The Z6 removed some of the polymer but not enough to expose enough clean surface area.



Remember, "polymer" can be a polysiloxane (silicone) agent. Zaino does not bond to a surface saturated with these types of polymers.
 
When I washed my car in preparation for clay barring something strange happened. I squirted water on the car (the beading was not the normal Zaino beading) a ring a white residue formed around each water bead. It must have been the Z-5/Z-2. it did not wipe easily either. I had to put IPA in a spray bottle then spray and wipe with a MF in small sections in order to strip it back to the clearcoat.



Bad experience
 
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