Thinking about Jeffs Werkstatt Acrylic Jett, kinda confused about Prime though

[jasonmac]

Originally Posted by Coupe

It dont make any sense to use AIO or Prime or any product like these after a full 3 step polish.

That's right, or I agree , but in order for some sealants/LSPs to bond properly, you might need a base of something other than a polished surface to get the maximum durability that particular LSP claims.

[Wetstuff]

Coupe: I'm a civilian who has used Klasse SG (KSG) for a couple of years. I thought it was like the old days when Caranuba in-a-can was a bi_ch to use; but the rewards were worth it. I found it difficult to follow the maxium: less is more.

I find Jeffs easier. I use Prime strong, like others before mentioned, followed up with Acrylic Jeffs. I bought Jeffs Caranuba but have set it aside because almost everyone here says Silver looks better in Acrylic.

I'm happy with how easy it is to use. I've applied it by hand and with a 4" air polisher on another car. By hand with a foam pad is very easy. It levels off (perhaps it is already a dilute..? ) a helluva lot easier than thicker KSG. I follow a microfiber hand rub with a Polartec pad on an orbital buffer. I'm pretty happy with the results.

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[Mr. Clean]

Originally Posted by Wetstuff

... I follow a microfiber hand rub with a Polartec pad on an orbital buffer.

??? I'm familiar with the fabric Polartec (a poly fleece material), is this what you are talking about?

[Pennypacker]

Originally Posted by Coupe

That dosent make any sense.
Abbrasive polishing removes all those things for sure.

example:
You polish out your finish with:
OHC and a cutting pad
OC with a polishing pad
OP with a finishing pad
At this point your finish will be perfectly cleaned and prepped, there will be no contaminants, swirls, etches, fallout etc.
LSP

It dont make any sense to use AIO or Prime or any product like these after a full 3 step polish.

They would depending on the polish, but hypothetically-speaking why would you want to use an abrasive if there were little to no swirls when a non-abrasive chemical cleaner would get the paint cleaned and lsp-ready. I always think it's best to use the least aggressive approach to get the job done. I like to use AIOs for cleaning and reserve polishing for busting out swirlies. Still some polishes like PO106FF do leave a briliant finish, so one might still go ahead and use such a polish regardless.

If you do have scratches and you're going to polish, then using an AIO-type product afterwards, besides serving as a good base-layer for your topper, will help clean any oils or fillers left behind by the polish if it had any.

[mridley56]

Excuse me for butting in but where on the web can I find this product.

Thanks

[sspeer]

My view of Prime is that it is a light finishing polish that will remove any remaining polish residue and get maximum bonding of a layer of protection to the paint. Then the AJ is just an additional layer that won't clean off any of the Prime's protection

[Master Gaignun]

Originally Posted by mridley56

Excuse me for butting in but where on the web can I find this product.

Thanks

JEFFS Werkstatt: the finest in automotive detailing wax and sealants

[SVR]

I believe it's a chemical polish that enhances the finish of your paint after doing a two to four step correction. It removes the oils that are left by 106FF and others (which hinder sealant durability) and leaves behind a ultra wet looking glassy protective layer that the AJT will adhere too and therefore last longer.

My preference is to machine the prime with my rotary with a heat softened edge white or LC Eurotech blue pad.
best I've used is a 50/50 mix of prime carnauba and acrylic and working it in until it dissappears. I usually add 200mph paint reflection enhancer spray onto the panel before I start the machine as prime is very dry and will hologram if you work it too long.

In some cases (my car especially), this will cause orange peel to be hidden almost completely by the layer of prime and stay hidden until you polish with an abrasive again.

In the past I've added FK 2180 and other sealants onto a menz RD finished paint and gotten crappy durability
Due to this I never finish with 106FF. It's always prime, driven or ultra gloss.

[BMW335i]

Originally Posted by SVR

I believe it's a chemical polish that enhances the finish of your paint after doing a two to four step correction. It removes the oils that are left by 106FF and others (which hinder sealant durability) and leaves behind a ultra wet looking glassy protective layer that the AJT will adhere too and therefore last longer.

My preference is to machine the prime with my rotary with a heat softened edge white or LC Eurotech blue pad.
best I've used is a 50/50 mix of prime carnauba and acrylic and working it in until it dissappears. I usually add 200mph paint reflection enhancer spray onto the panel before I start the machine as prime is very dry and will hologram if you work it too long.

In some cases (my car especially), this will cause orange peel to be hidden almost completely by the layer of prime and stay hidden until you polish with an abrasive again.

In the past I've added FK 2180 and other sealants onto a menz RD finished paint and gotten crappy durability
Due to this I never finish with 106FF. It's always prime, driven or ultra gloss.

I remember reading this post of yours about prime - "I tell ya what, prime acrylic sure does take some paint off.
Have been tinkering with a single stage red falcon for the past few weeks and when I used acrylic with edge white pad, it took more paint off than clearkote VM or even blackfire SRC 3000. Pad was saturated with paint whereas VM just has the centre of the pad spotted with red flakes.
It's like I polished it with a 2000 grit polish and edge green"

Was it due to excessive oxidation or what?

[Scottwax]

I can tell you from experience that AJ goes on smoother and easier over Prime or AIO than Optimum Polish. Prime leaves the paint very slick so AJ glides on over it.

You don't have to use it, the only requirement for applying AJ is that the surface be properly prepped. However, it has been my experience you get the best results and ease of use using AJ over Prime or AIO.

[ZoranC]

ScottWax, from your experience does Prime remove paint?

[Coupe]

You have all convinced me that it would be a good move to go ahead and buy Prime.

Now the question is:
Which Prime should i buy?